percious schrieb: > On Jun 23, 12:26 pm, Daniel Fetchinson <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> I agree that unfortunately TG is lacking in marketing, but if we want >>> to have a viable product, the core team needs to focus on the >>> technology. > >> I sincerely disagree with your statement. I do not think that in order >> to have a viable product the core team needs to focus on technology. I >> think in order to have a viable product the core team needs to focus a >> lot more on documentation/website/infrastructure/marketing/etc even if >> this means less time/resource is available for actual coding >> ("technology"). > > I think our goals are closer to that of Apple, in opposition to > Microsoft. We don't want a Vista on our hand. Look how well > marketing helped that project.
http://www.macblogz.com/2008/11/22/apples-entire-ad-budget-486m-compared-to-vistas-300m/ Given the relative size and user-base of the respective companies and their products, these numbers clearly indicate that Apple does a *lot* of marketing *plus* putting a great deal of effort into polish, and ease of use. Both of with this thread is trying to make us aware of. On a pure technical side of things though - they aren't so much different, (This is written on a MacBook Pro, and from an otherwise Linux-only-user.) But this is not really helping us with this. I think we must look at the facts - one is this: http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/about From over 2000 posts per month, and threads like this http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/browse_thread/thread/e50e7909c9d3e26f/3c7b26c2c58ddb0c?lnk=gst&q=steve+holden#3c7b26c2c58ddb0c where that number dropped already nearly to a halve, we are now at a mere *third* of that. And this even though we released TG2 a month ago. Don't get me wrong. I'm a dedicated TG user with running projects in TG1 and TG2, even a contributer (admittedly with varying intensity, but hey - I'm an itch-scratcher, I guess that's ok), convinced my company to use TG2 over Django even when it was way before beta, and sincerely believe that - even though Django is impressive- we sure have the better stack technology-wise. But still - TG2 has fizzled. Which is a pity, to say the least. So I don't think there can be any doubt that something went somehow wrong. Yet I certainly won't indulge in pointing fingers - some of these might point to me :) And it wouldn't be just, given the great deal of (outsider attention aside!) success you, Mark and all the others have had. And I do believe that a great deal of the success of Django stems from the fact that it's core is driven by a specific company (or project), in the same way as eclipse, linux kernel and others are. Which TG doesn't have, making it's technological virtue even more admirable. Nontheless, we should think of how to react on the obvious questions this thread and the overall community interaction raise. The answer might well be that we don't have to do anything, and keep going as we are. It might be that we *can't* do anything, as we all are constrained by the limited time we can spend on developing core functionality as day-jobs need to be done, and thus ultimately will always be the secret weapon "real" developers wear up their sleeves. Both would certainly work for me. Or we somehow muster the power to increase the visibility. I sure would love to see that. So please - we shouldn't allow this thread to degenerate to an exercise in pointing fingers, but try & and see if we can learn a lesson. Diez --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears Trunk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears-trunk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
