Top posting.
OK, you win. I'm fed up with this kind of discussion, so last post in this 
I won't ask your questions because when we ask even a basic one, very often we 
get no reply (I guess that frustration is for something).

After almost 8 years supporting users in forums, I think that we have a 
reasonable 6th sense to spot the smoking guns in such problems. I'll continue 
to record the cases in the forum. Even if you're the most vocal one on the 
mailing list, I hope that some dev will try to have a look.

If you think that crashed filed are like UFOs then let users experience UFOs.


Le 05/01/2014 19:45, Rob Weir a écrit :

On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Hagar Delest <> wrote:
Le 05/01/2014 17:05, Rob Weir a écrit :

It would be great to ask for information like this whenever someone
reports this kind of problem.  150 reports without this detail are
useless.  But even 10 reports with this detail might indicate a

1) What AOO version is in use?

2) What OS version?

3) What file type (extension) was being saved?

4) Where was the file being saved?  USB?  Network drive?

5) Is autosaved enabled?

6) When you returned to your computer was it in the same state?  For
example, had you lost power?  Did the OS force a reboot?  Did your
laptop hibernate?

Have you at least read the topic and the post with all the cases I've
You'll see that most of these information are available. And each linked
topic usually have also these information (with more details of course).

Well, obviously reports with partial information from 5 years ago are
not really useful.  As I pointed out, I can show over 300 UFO
sightings from just December.  So what?

I'm suggesting collecting this information systematically, for new
reports, in 2014 using AOO 4.0.1.  For example, you did not ask all of
these questions when you responded to the user on this list just now.

Just anecdotally, and without deeper analysis, I see a number of
reports on OpenOffice and with Microsoft Office, where a USB memory
stick is being used.   Savvy users know how to properly remove a
memory stick.  But not all users do.  This can cause problems.

None of the 150+ cases I've recorded involve USB drives. Of course we know
that case. That's why I've discarded them systematically.
NB: one more case this very day.

This isn't really true.  I did a spot check of the reports and some of
them did involve USB drives and for many of them the question was not
even asked.

Another case to watch out for is old Wordperfect files.   A user saves
a WPD file, upgrades OOo 3.3.0 to AOO 4.0.1 and now their file won't
open.  But this is due to the loss of WPD support, not due to damage
to the file, though the symptoms look the same at first.

Again, just read the topic. Most of the files are ODF, some .doc. No exotic
format like WPD.

Another thing to look for is a forced reboot, the kind that recent
versions of Windows do when installing a critical security patch.
Some antivirus software does this as well.  If you have a document
loaded in OpenOffice with unsaved changed, and have autosave enabled,
and leave your machine on for a week, with OpenOffice running, and a
system restart is forced, what will happen?  Is there a correlation to
problems in that scenario?

Even if the boot is forced, as I said, it would be understandable to lose
the version that is currently under edition. But it is unacceptable to lose
the saved file.

And it would be unacceptable to see a UFO.  The question is whether
any actually have or whether it is user error.

I know that this is a difficult problem but please stop trying to find a
If nobody wants to investigate, I don't have any problem as long as I don't
suffer from this issue.
But then, just accept the rants from users who lost important data.
NB: I've switched from MS Word to OOo after I lost data. If I ever face this
problem, that would be the end of my use of AOO. Users want reliability
first. All the nice features you can put in an application will never
counterbalance any important data loss.

No one is scapegoating.  I'm just saying with 100 million users and 5
years and not a single reproducible error?  Really?  Seriously?



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