VACList-Digest Wednesday, February 13, 2002 Issue 211
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Email while traveling
2. W B C C I Membership
3. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
4. Airstream Vandalism
5. Bambi skin replacement
6. Re: Airstream Vandalism
7. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
8. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
9. Re: Email while traveling
10. Re:
11. Re: Removing interior paint
12. awning fabric
13. Re: 2 volt microwave required?
14. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
15. Re: awning fabric
16. Re: Bambi skin replacement
17. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
18. Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
19. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
20. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
21. Re: awning fabric
22. Re: Airstream Vandalism
23. Re: 2 volt microwave required?
24. Re: Fridge door
25. Re: Airstream Vandalism
26. Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
27. Re: awning fabric
28. Trailer history
29. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
30. Re: Removing interior paint
31. Re: awning fabric
32. Re: Bambi skin replacement
33. Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
34. Re: awning fabric
35. Re: Trailer history
36. WBCCI membership revisited
37. Re: awning fabric
38. NAPA
39. Re: WBCCI membership revisited
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:06:58 +0800
From: "randy unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email while traveling
Roger Hightower used a slick PCMCIA modem in his laptop in Estes Park, CO last summer
that worked through his cell phone when my cell phone won't even receive a signal.
Roger, what do you use?
Randy Unter
'66 Overlander
Lakewood,Colorado
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:32:22 -0500
From: "Dennis Ober" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: W B C C I Membership
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Come on Guys ...It's only $1.00 a week for all this fellowship...I =
belong to WBCCI... Central Penn Unit ...The Fulltimers ... Vintage Unit =
. ... the only one I don't is the Free Wheelers < my wife would kill me =
!!! > Way back before I owned an airstream ...I even bugged Jackson =
Center to let me Subsribe to the Blue Beret without me owning an A/S =
. ...cost was $20.00 a year to get the Magazine ...I thought it was worth =
it then and still do today ...Now I have owned my second A/S and have =
been a member for 12 years .,..I know I can't get to all the rallys but =
I know I have a ball with fellow A/S 'ers when I get there ... well =
thats my 2 cents ... only 350 weeks till I hit the road .... ...but I =
will be well informed because of this VAC List ...... "Obie " =20
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:59:13 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
Hello,
I agree with Scott, we try to make as much time as we can to work with
the local unit. As I have said in the past the local unit is the
cornerstone to the WBCCI and the WBCCI is the cornerstone of the VAC. To
be a younger family with limited exposure to grandparents the WBCCI
experience teaches my kids the respect they need to have for their
elders. Beside where can you go but the International Rally and have
1900 grandparents for your kids to interact with!
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
1st VP WI Unit, WI Membership Chairman, Region 7 VAC Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Scott Scheuermann
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: WBCCI membership revisited
If it was not for the WBCCI the VAC would not exist. The VAC and the
WBCCI
cater to two different groups which do happen to overlap quite a bit.
This
is why you can be a member of the VAC (a friend subscription) without
being
a member of the WBCCI. However, I believe that there are some
limitations
with a friend subscription that you would not encounter with full
membership. I happen to be a member of both, even though it is somewhat
difficult to be fully involved with the local WBCCI unit, my wife and I
find
it very rewarding to interact with people 30 and 40 years older than
ourselves.
Scott
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:02:40 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream Vandalism
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<P>Hello All</P>
<P>I'm looking for advice. On a recent camping trip, a person or persons decided to
scratch their names into the skin of my 1968 Caravel. This happened while my
wife and I were mountain biking. We've also noticed some scratches from
ti<P>We are planning a lengthy cross crountry trip, and plan to do a lot of
sightseeing and bike riding away from the trailer.</P>
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<P>Has anyone else experienced similar vandalism while camping? Is a shiny metal
trailer too much of a temptation for some folks? How can I avoid future vandalism?</P>
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<P>Thanks in Advance</P>
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<P>Jeff</P>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:13:25 -0500
From: "Joe Insinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bambi skin replacement
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I read a day or two ago the posts talking about replacing a segment on a
Bambi and asking about getting pre-formed panels.
I have a Bambi myself which fortunately needs no skin replaced,
but I was under the impression that there were no compound curves on the older
13 skin and 7 skin models.
I went out and looked at mine pretty close and it looks like the front
and rear caps are made of flat pieces of aluminum sheet, bent in place and
riveted. They give the impression of a compound curve because the
wide end (the "crust" of the pizza slice shape) is bent into a slight curve
to match up with the roof panel. If it's not a compound curve, it would
seem a relatively simple task to replace one piece.
Anybody know for sure? I've been wrong before of course . . .
Joe Insinga
'61 Bambi
"Out of chaos, comes order" - F. Nietzsche
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<DIV>I read a day or two ago the posts talking about replacing a segment on a Bambi
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<DIV>I have a Bambi myself which fortunately needs no skin replaced, but I
was under the impression that there were no compound curves on the older 13 skin
and 7 skin models.</DIV>
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<DIV>I went out and looked at mine pretty close and it looks like the front and
rear caps are made of flat pieces of aluminum sheet, bent in place and riveted.
They give the impression of a compound curve because the wide end (the "crust"
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:16:20 -0500
From: tom walden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream Vandalism
That's funny...........when I wire my trailer up to 110 power and spray
the ground around it with water, no one gets beyond the initial key
contact! On the other hand, none of my trailers are shiny yet. (just
kidding about this, please don't try this at home, or anywhere else!)
Does express kinda how I feel about anyone who'd scratch our twinkies.
Bummer! Of course, one of those "BACK AWAY FROM THE TRAILER!!!!!"
alarms might actually do the trick.
Tom Walden
Jeff Griffin wrote:
> Hello All
>
> I'm looking for advice. On a recent camping trip, a person or persons
> decided to scratch their names into the skin of my 1968 Caravel. This
> happened while my wife and I were mountain biking. We've also noticed
> some scratches from time to time that indicate others have had a similar
> urge to mark up our silver twinkie.
>
> We are planning a lengthy cross crountry trip, and plan to do a lot of
> sightseeing and bike riding away from the trailer.
>
> Has anyone else experienced similar vandalism while camping? Is a shiny
> metal trailer too much of a temptation for some folks? How can I avoid
> future vandalism?
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Jeff
>
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:30:29 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
Hello,
I believe that the WBCCI would be interested in making changes to the
Blue Beret if those that are interested in change would make the time
available to help that along. I don't believe that the writers of the
articles are paid for their efforts and some of those are very good. I
know that I enjoy the articles by Fred Ettline (Phred Sez, it was very
cool to meet him at last year's International at Culvers!) and Bob
Phillips (Hints & Kinks for the B-190 Motorhome and I don't even own
one!)The intra club articles for the Free Wheelers, Vintage Club (even
though it could make more of an impact but I don't have time to write
it) and the Full Timers or Free Wheelers (I've met member of both clubs
and the seem like fun people) are also enjoyable at times. The
advertisements from Airstream dealers and suppliers have helped me find
parts and services I might need. Read the President's corner, you might
get an idea in how to support you local Unit or just learn something
about the workings of the WBCCI or the mind of the current International
President. Most of all the cover has some cool Airstreaming photos and
they are always begging for photos to add to the inside.
You out there can change what is offered to you by the club (WBCCI), you
just have to take the time and help make change. Join the WBCCI, support
their efforts (you don't have to agree with everything but if you look
hard enough there is a lot of good to the organization). Support you
local Unit and the WBCCI, if it dies so does the tradition that started
the VAC. It is up to us to make change, make this club what you want
from it. Get involved and complain from the inside not the outside.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
WI Unit 1st VP
WI Membership Chairman
Region 7 VAC Rep
Owner of 2 Airstreams
IN THAT ORDER!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
James Greene
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: WBCCI membership revisited
Dave, as far as I can tell with the monthly Blue Beret all they do is
change
the cover. The content never varies. Maybe to save money we could keep
the
insides and they could just send a fresh cover every month.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 14:26
Subject: [VAC] Re: WBCCI membership revisited
> At 11:43 AM 2/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >the (to me) uselessness of the Blue Beret
> >and the local newsletter, which both are pointed toward rallies and
> >caravans
>
> While my local chapter's (Cincinnati, OH) news letter is fine, I agree
100%
> on your comment on the Blue Beret.
>
> If they aren't talking about the upcoming International Rally, they
are
> talking about the one they just had. The VAC "newsletter" is 10000
times
> better than the Blue Beret.
>
> Dave
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> WBCCI: 5074
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:44:14 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
Hey Andy,
Your right we do need you! Well said.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: WBCCI membership revisited
I had always thought that belonging to the WBCCI and the Vintage club,
was,
in part, a means to share information.
Life, in many ways, is a "give and take".
Many of the old timers were in the group of "takers" and over a period
of
time, became rather knowledgeable about their Airstream. Certainly,
someone,
some where took the time to help them, with their Airstream.
Now, some of us, are much older, and at times, a little cranky, myself
included, and a few of them are talking about abandoning the very
organizations, that helped us, and them, many times over many years.
What are the newbies going to think, when they are told, "I got what I
wanted, you go fend for yourself?
I think, that when others were there for many of us, that it would
indeed be
very sad, if we turned our backs on the newcomers.
Give and take "IS" a great part of life. If we gave back, just a part of
what
we received,
then we have made our fair contribution, to the newcomers.
They may not always be grateful, as sometimes we weren't, but hopefully,
because of us that have been around a "long" time, they may follow in
our
footsteps, making the Airstream "WAY OF LIFE", through our examples of
fellowship, bigger and better.
Lets not give up on our "successors", but instead show them, as others
have
shown us, of what "real fellowship", is all about.
Lets not be quitters, guys and gals alike, but work together, for all of
our
benefits. If we don't like something, then lets work together, to fix
it.
Had we all been united, as we should have been, then maybe, just maybe,
9-11
would not have happened.
Together, Airstreamers accomplish the difficult today, because
yesterday,
they accomplished "the impossible".
For what it's worth, our younger generation "needs us" and probably more
than
they think.
And, I think, we really need them, too!!!
Andy
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:09:08 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email while traveling
I use a Nokia 6162 cell phone, through a cable with X-jack connector to a
3-Com 3CXM756 Global GSM and Cellular PC card. It will handle up to 56K if
your ISP can do that.
My ISP is AT&T Worldnet, and I can usually connect at 14.4 or better. I
haven't found a place that I can't connect from so far.
I've had it for a while, and can't remember where I got all the modem/cable
stuff. Anyone interested can probably find it from the 3-Com site on the
web.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:33:21 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
In a message dated 2/12/02 4:24:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I started out only wanting to belong to VAC and joined at large. The
local club membership chairman "insisted" we attend a rally even if we
only came to the weekend part. We did and a year later have been
surprised to find the local rallies to be a good experience. There's
lots of Airstream knowledge and travel knowledge in the club and many
members have older though not yet vintage Airstreams. And they love our
shiny Airstream. We have held several open houses with only one vintage
Airstream. So if you haven't given it a chance go try it. It might
surprise you. It certainly changed the impression I had gotten from the
list.
Also there are other, maybe hidden, benefits of being a WBCCI member.
When a club holds a rally the issue of liability insurance can present a
problem. WBCCI rallies are covered I think. Not sure about VAC only
rallies. Event insurance if required can be expensive w/o a national
umbrella policy. So WBCCI is helping us by assisting with rally costs
though in a way we don't see directly. >>
I just attended a rally where this type of VAC List conversation was a MAJOR
topic one evening. (I've been watching this thread in particular.....) The
Vintage group generally stuck together, though it was a WBCCI event. When
folks wandered thru the Vintage area.... we'd get a few funny looks, a few
questions and comments....it was a time to share with these owners of the
newer units...just WHAT we were about and what we were trying to do in
preserving the older units.... The WBCCI is WHY the VAC exists (and Bud and
Bettye too!). Besides the comments in this thread, the older membership of
the WBCCI might NOT like the "old trailers". Do you notice that many of the
officers have Airstream motorhomes and definitely newer rigs? From some of
the comments on this list re: WBCCI membership, I doubt many know what the
significance of the WBCCI is. Membership isn't growing particulary like it
should. It would be so sad to see the WBCCI go by the wayside down the road.
Wally Byam would wonder why too....We are a breed unto ourselves in many
ways....WBCCI, even with it's not so terribly exciting Blue Beret, is a
winner organization. It needs to be supported. PLEASE SUPPORT THE WBCCI.
$45 a year....plus $10, plus another $10....let's see...why not pass on
several cups of coffee to cover the costs? You'd be amazed, like Scott
mentioned, how MUCH you can learn from the older members. I have made some
wonderful friendships at WBCCI events. I also happen to belong to a fabulous
unit and am an affiliate of another wonderful unit that has more Vintage then
my home unit. The newsletters keep me in touch with what the units are
doing. One of the newsletters is brief and to the point, the other is longer,
with more info....more "tidbits" that are of interest to me, owner of several
units....nothing past 1965. I'm by FAR the youngest person at WBCCI unit
rallies, unless a grandchild is in tow with another member....by about 45
years in several instances.....that's FINE with me. I can learn all SORTS of
things about Airstream, Wally Byam, Towing, all SORTS of things from these
members and do. The VAC is a part of WBCCI...why not gain more knowledge,
more information in general, and more freindships of some of the most lovely,
caring, patriotic individuals this country has to offer? Listening to Bud
Cooper at the Sioux Falls rally last year made me wonder why so many of the
newer Airstream owners were not in favor of really supporting us. Well....had
Bud not started the VAC, then we might all belong to TCT or another good
organization. HOWEVER, Bud and Bettye had a great idea....that's why we are
all here.....to build on that idea, share knowledge, learn as much as we can
from others who share our love of these aluminum rolling houses.....We are
members of the VAC, hence we are connected to the WBCCI.
More info on the comments made by WBCCI uppidyups offlist....if you like....
Wendy@3Peaks
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:11:11 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing interior paint
Hi all,
My wife and I have been and are still removing three coats of house paint
from the inside of our Trade Wind. The last layer had some type of texture
in it, possibly sand!! We removed all of the layers with a very caustic
paint remover. It's called Aircraft Stripper and it is ever powerful. If you
by chance get it in your eyes, you are to squeeze a lemon in it to
neutralize the stuff. It comes in a light blue gallon can and is hard to
find.
Brad Norgaard
'59 Trade Wind
Phoenix
WBCCI #2699, VAC
> From: "Jrnymn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:23:46 -0600
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Removing interior paint
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I was successful in removing an almost identical paint layer situation. My
> entire Overlander on the inside was painted with two layers of latex on top
> of the Zolatone. The Zolatone is tough stuff back in '56-57.
>
> I **strongly** recommend you just clean the interior with a mild detergent
> and repaint using a scheme you like.
>
> It took me about 60 hours of stripping to get my gutted interior down to the
> bare aluminum. I still have to clean/neutralize the panels before I polish
> and reinstall. I could not dream of having to do a job like it without a
> total fixture removal. If I had to do it over, I would remove the panels
> first and strip 'outside' in a specially designed workspace to conserve
> stripper and make the work much easier.
>
> Gutting a trailer is a huge task in itself.....a simple repaint is much
> preferred for getting very nice results.
>
> Jay Griffin
> late '56 Overlander
>
>
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:03:39 -0800
From: "Alec Fisken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: awning fabric
I found a great website for awning fabric: beaconfabrics.com. They have
interesting hardware and systems for making RV drapes, and do-it-yourself
awnings for the type where you slide a bead into a rail, with minimal
hardware.
Kathy Fisken
'66 Caravel
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Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:39:15 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2 volt microwave required?
Pardon a dumb question but should you use a 12 volt microwave? Or is 110volt
the way to go? Which microwave oven should we get for our '65 Trade Wind 24'?
We too were not that happy with the "Blue Beret" and it's almost total lack
of revelant info for the restorers like our selves. We could make a big list
of things that woul improve their newsletter but then we have our hands full
getting the chipped mahogany veneer fixed on our cabinet restoration. So
we'll fix one thing at a time. How did the restoration group function without
the VAC?! Can you belong only to the VAC?
Stuart and Bonnie Resor
* STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:42:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
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> !)The intra club articles for the Free Wheelers, Vintage Club
I look for the Vintage article every month and wonder why I haven't seen one
in several months?
J.L.Dietz #4361
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:05:57 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Kathy,
Are you sure you have that URL correct?
I try it and get a place called 'net jester" (which tries to DL something
onto my computer :-( )
Dave
At 09:03 PM 2/12/02 -0800, you wrote:
>I found a great website for awning fabric: beaconfabrics.com. They have
>interesting hardware and systems for making RV drapes, and do-it-yourself
>awnings for the type where you slide a bead into a rail, with minimal
>hardware.
>Kathy Fisken
>'66 Caravel
>
>
>
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:06:58 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bambi skin replacement
The 13 panels ends are flat pieces, the 7 panels were the first formed
pieces by Airstream, stamped over large forms.
Urban Legend has it that when Airstream closed down the Sante Fe Springs CA
plant, InlandRV bought the remaining Bambi segment inventory, and some RV
place in Texas bought the forms - not that they would ever have the stamp to
ever use them.
Andy, do you know the real story?
Thanks,
RJ
> From: "Joe Insinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:13:25 -0500
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Bambi skin replacement
> I read a day or two ago the posts talking about replacing a segment on a
> Bambi and asking about getting pre-formed panels.
>
> I have a Bambi myself which fortunately needs no skin replaced,
> but I was under the impression that there were no compound curves on the older
> 13 skin and 7 skin models.
>
> I went out and looked at mine pretty close and it looks like the front
> and rear caps are made of flat pieces of aluminum sheet, bent in place and
> riveted. They give the impression of a compound curve because the
> wide end (the "crust" of the pizza slice shape) is bent into a slight curve
> to match up with the roof panel. If it's not a compound curve, it would
> seem a relatively simple task to replace one piece.
>
> Anybody know for sure? I've been wrong before of course . . .
>
> Joe Insinga
> '61 Bambi
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:13:39 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
See if this explains it any better now:
http://www.airstream.org/membership.html
RJ
VAC Webmaster
>
> We too were not that happy with the "Blue Beret" and it's almost total lack
> of revelant info for the restorers like our selves. We could make a big list
> of things that woul improve their newsletter but then we have our hands full
> getting the chipped mahogany veneer fixed on our cabinet restoration. So
> we'll fix one thing at a time. How did the restoration group function without
> the VAC?! Can you belong only to the VAC?
>
> Stuart and Bonnie Resor
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:25:58 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
Here are two other styles:
http://VintageAirstream.com/archives/60Overlander/60Overlandera.jpg
http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/59WorldTraveler/59WorldTraveler.html
Gas fired HW heaters were an expensive option, and many '50's trailers
didn't take the option. Our FC was no exception, it came with a 110v HW
heater under the galley - no external vent. I have a 1958 wall mounted
tankless roof-vented Valiant HW heater that we will be using during our
restoration. In the archives you will come across many of them during that
era.
RJ
'65 Caravel
'57 Flying Cloud
> From: "chyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:30:51 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
>
> Thanks RJ,
> I checked out your website and I'm assuming that the cover you are showing
> is on your 65 Caravel. You said there are two types of covers used on
> vintage Airstreams. Were you lucky enough to get an original cover on your
> 57 Flying Cloud? I'm looking forward seeing what the other version looks
> like. If anyone else out there has some photos of an original cover of the
> 50's please let me know off list.
> Thanks again,
> Colin Hyde WBCCI, VAC
> 57 Sovereign of the Road
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:59:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Rowbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/12/2002 9:36:19 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > !)The intra club articles for the Free Wheelers,
> Vintage Club
>
> I look for the Vintage article every month and
> wonder why I haven't seen one
> in several months?
>
> J.L.Dietz #4361
When was the last time you wrote and sent in an
artical for the Blue Beret?
With a volunteer organization those who criticize get
the job next time.
Let's start sending in articals and pictures about
vintage restoring and get a new look to the magazine
instead of wondering why there is nothing there. It
can't happen if you won't let it happen.
Doug #3327
__________________________________________________
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:12:26 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
Does the Blue Beret accept unsolicited articles?
Dave
At 05:59 AM 2/13/02 -0800, you wrote:
>--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/12/2002 9:36:19 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >
> > > !)The intra club articles for the Free Wheelers,
> > Vintage Club
> >
> > I look for the Vintage article every month and
> > wonder why I haven't seen one
> > in several months?
> >
> > J.L.Dietz #4361
>
>When was the last time you wrote and sent in an
>artical for the Blue Beret?
>With a volunteer organization those who criticize get
>the job next time.
>Let's start sending in articals and pictures about
>vintage restoring and get a new look to the magazine
>instead of wondering why there is nothing there. It
>can't happen if you won't let it happen.
>
>Doug #3327
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
>http://greetings.yahoo.com
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:34:51 -0700
From: "Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Dave wrote:
> Are you sure you have that URL correct?
>
> I try it and get a place called 'net jester" (which tries to
> DL something
> onto my computer :-( )
I think it should be http://www.beaconfabric.com (no s after fabric).
Happy Trails - Sherry
'63 Bambi, WBCCI 1104, VAC, WDCU, TCT
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:14:16 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream Vandalism
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Jeff,
I would take a serious look at where you are parking the trailer. In my =
30+ years of camping with my Overlander I have never experienced this =
type of vandalism. However, you should note that not all scratches are =
intentional. Aluminum is soft. If you happen to get too close to a tree =
branch or brush, it will leave a scratch.
Scott
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeff Griffin=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: [VAC] Airstream Vandalism
Hello All
I'm looking for advice. On a recent camping trip, a person or persons =
decided to scratch their names into the skin of my 1968 Caravel. This =
happened while my wife and I were mountain biking. We've also noticed =
some scratches from time to time that indicate others have had a similar =
urge to mark up our silver twinkie.
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:13:34 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2 volt microwave required?
Stuart & Bonnie,
I've never heard of a 12-volt microwave oven; most folks who want to
run one from batteries use an inverter. HOWEVER!
Bear in mind that [electrical] Power is what "does the job". Power is
Volts X Amps. A 1000-watt microwave would draw approximately 8-10 amps
from a 120-volt line, but it would be TEN TIMES that from your
batteries. Only a hefty battery bank can deliver that kind of current
for more than a few minutes. Even with a large battery bank (say, 6 golf
cart batteries), you'll not do any real cooking in the microwave.
As we knew that much of our camping would be in situations w/o any shore
power, we elected to not carry a microwave at all, but use the builtin
oven instead. We did add solar panels so we have lights, etc. w/o having
to carry or run a noisy, stinky generator.
<<Jim>>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pardon a dumb question but should you use a 12 volt microwave? Or is 110volt
> the way to go? Which microwave oven should we get for our '65 Trade Wind 24'?
>
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:06:19 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fridge door
You might check with RV repair shops, as they replace old units with new
ones they usually just pile the old up out back until they can get them
hauled off.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: [VAC] Fridge door
>
> Well, I have exhausted nearly all links to a fridge door for my 68
> Overlander. Does anybody have an old functional door for a Dometic model
> 52. The outside dimensions are 22 1/2 X 35 1/4. I only need the door and
I
> will pay for it plus the shipping if someone knows where one is.
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:14:45 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream Vandalism
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:25:04 -0700
From: "Brad Norgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
> ...have a 1958 wall mounted tankless roof-vented
> Valiant HW heater that we will be using...
Hi RJ,
Glad to hear you'll be using the Vaillent. Friend of mine has one of those
Vaillent's and could use some info regarding it's operation and availability
of parts. I believe his is vented out the side though.
Were you able to put the Vintage Airstream Survey on the website? I haven't
checked.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind
WBCCI #2699, VAC
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Message Number: 27
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:25:52 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
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Yes, the website is definitely http://www.beaconfabric.com/vindex.html
The drapery hardware looks excellent. My wife was just asking how we =
were going to handle that problem.=20
The idea of making my own awning is intriguing. Of course, I'm not ready =
for part of the restoration yet. My Overlander has a "bead rail" on the =
curb side, and I can envision how a "homemade" awning might work, but I =
am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you actually sew =
into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material? Do you know of any =
sewing website that might explain? Anyone know of a supplier for =
aluminum poles to be used on the outside corners (I would imagine like a =
tent canopy)? Any other ideas out there?
Getting ahead of myself,
Phil Renner
Guilford, CT
63 Overlander
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Message Number: 28
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:28:38 -0800
From: Jerry Sulkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trailer history
I am curious to know the history of my 71 Safari. Not necessarily the names
of the prior owners but how many owners it has had. Is there a way to get
this information? Will the DMV provide it?
Jerry Sulkin
Facilities Project Manager
Chemeketa Community
Phone: 503-399-2591
Fax: 503-399-2595
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Message Number: 29
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:40:15 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
Thanks Ed.
We also thank you for your input. Very well stated.
To us, life is a big stadium, that always has something going on.
If we are on the outside, we won't know what the current activity is in that
stadium, nor can we participate.
Participation, is one of the greatest keys of our lives.
Most "anything" can be changed, but only by those that have chosen to become
involved, in a positive way.
Staying behind, not becoming involved, is a very small echo, that's easily
masked out, by "positive" and "participating" voices.
That's what "Wally" started, lets not let it die.
Andy
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Message Number: 30
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:48:35 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Removing interior paint
Over the last few years I've had people write in to my website feedback
address with their reports of removing latex from the interior
Zolatone. The idea is that you want to get the latex off without
necessarily removing the Zolatone, as the old old Zolatone is the ideal
base for application of new Zolotone or a sprayed enamel.
The common theme among the replies is the use of water soluble paint
stripper sprayed with a hand sprayer (sometimes brushed on), allowed to
sit a long while, reapplication, and then using a stiff bristle brush
and lots of paper towels, removing the sloughed off latex paint. I
can't remember the brand names, but home Centers have racks of the
stuff. The Zolatone may even come through unaffected. If not, consider
it a black canvas to try the new mixes of Zolatone:
http://www.zolatoneaim.com
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [VAC] Removing interior paint
My poor Overlander has been subjected to two previous coats of interior
paint (brushed on latex, I think). The first, an "off white" and the
second, a bright blue. The exterior walls and bedroom bulkheads have
been painted.
Has anyone had success in removing house paint from the zolatone
original layer, and if so, how?
Or should I throw up my hands, succumb to the "easy way" and paint it
yet another coat?
Phil Renner
Guilford, CT
1963 Overlander
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Message Number: 31
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:58:03 -0700
From: "Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Phil Renner wrote -
> The idea of making my own awning is intriguing. Of course, I'm not ready
for
> part of the restoration yet. My Overlander has a "bead rail" on the curb
side, > and I can envision how a "homemade" awning might work, but I am not
a sewing
> person (but willing to try). how do you actually sew into the edge of the
> fabric the "bead" material? Do you know of any sewing website that might
> explain? Anyone know of a supplier for aluminum poles to be used on the
> outside corners (I would imagine like a tent canopy)? Any other ideas out
> there?
Hi -
I made an awning for my Bambi several years ago, using very heavy cord sewn
into the trailer side so it would fit through the "bead rail". I found
adjustable tent poles at http://www.campmor.com and put in grommets for guy
lines at the corners. I used it about two times. It took two people to put
up (and I usually travel alone), my dogs kept getting tangled in the guy
lines, and just decided that it was much more trouble that it was worth. I
now use an EZ-Up portable shelter instead.
Happy Trails - Sherry
'63 Bambi, WBCCI 1104, VAC, WDCU, TCT
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Message Number: 32
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:20:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bambi skin replacement
RJ. We purchase the "what was left" parts inventory that Airstream had for
1968 and older trailers, from Ohio, which included some segments, about 12
years ago. This was long after the Cerritos plant closed. Most of the parts
inventory that Cerritos had was shipped to Ohio, when the decision was made
to close the Cerritos plant.
We have added many items to that inventory, by finding other sources, having
them made some where else, or making them ourselves.
Some of these items are on sale at this time on our web site, inlandrv.com
We have, on an on going basis, for at least the last 10 years, tried to
provide more and more parts for the "vintage" trailers.
Some recent additions have been the cabinet and rooflocker catches, the
stainless steel window guards for the 68's that also fit the 66 and 67
trailers, scratch resistant acrylic windows for the 66-68's, and both the
Astrodome and Solardome covers, in not only milk white, but also in solar
gray. The solar gray color covers have become high in demand. Who knows why
Airstream never used that color.
We have in stock, a limited number of the seven segments that were used from
1958 to 1963, and the five segments that were used from 1964 to 1968.
We have also had a special run made of grease seals that replace the old
"felt" seals, that became outrageous in price.
We shall continue to be supportive of the VAC, to the best of our ability and
resources.
Inland RV Center, Inc. Andy
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Message Number: 33
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:34:28 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heat Cover
RJ. Airstream has never offered, nor have they ever used a "hot water
heater".
They have, however, used "cold water heaters".
We don't heat hot water, we heat cold water.
Hmmmmm. Another play on our english language and nick names that don't make
sense, such as, where do we park our car? In our "driveway". Where else? How
come you pay a "toll", on a "freeway"? Why do we order a steak "medium well"?
Why not "medium raw"?
Our english language is almost as confusing as some opinions on Airstreams.
It's Wednesday, which is "hump day", so back to the drawing boards, we go, to
make more vintage coaches, work like new one's.
Ahhhh, if we could only do that for our bodies.
Andy
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Message Number: 34
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:32:38 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
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Phil,
If you are not a real do it yourselfer and you can find a local =
awning/canvas shop they can easily make an awning for you and most =
likely have the poles available. I did this a few years back and am very =
happy with the results. The amount I spent on it was well worth the =
efforts saved (and made the wife very happy).
Scott
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From: Phil Renner=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
Yes, the website is definitely http://www.beaconfabric.com/vindex.html
The drapery hardware looks excellent. My wife was just asking how we =
were going to handle that problem.=20
The idea of making my own awning is intriguing. Of course, I'm not =
ready for part of the restoration yet. My Overlander has a "bead rail" =
on the curb side, and I can envision how a "homemade" awning might work, =
but I am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you actually =
sew into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material? Do you know of any =
sewing website that might explain? Anyone know of a supplier for =
aluminum poles to be used on the outside corners (I would imagine like a =
tent canopy)? Any other ideas out there?
Getting ahead of myself,
Phil Renner
Guilford, CT
63 Overlander
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yes, the website is definitely </FONT><A=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The drapery hardware looks excellent. My wife was =
just=20
asking how we were going to handle that problem. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The idea of making my own awning =
is intriguing. Of=20
course, I'm not ready for part of the restoration yet. My Overlander =
has a=20
"bead rail" on the curb side, and I can envision how a "homemade" =
awning might=20
work, but I am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you =
actually=20
sew into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material? Do you know of =
any sewing=20
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poles to be=20
used on the outside corners (I would imagine like a tent canopy)? Any =
other=20
ideas out there?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Getting ahead of myself,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Phil Renner</FONT></DIV>
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Message Number: 35
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:35:15 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trailer history
The only way I can think of is to have the DMV trace the title back to the
original.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sulkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:28 AM
Subject: [VAC] Trailer history
> I am curious to know the history of my 71 Safari. Not necessarily the
names
> of the prior owners but how many owners it has had. Is there a way to get
> this information? Will the DMV provide it?
>
> Jerry Sulkin
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Message Number: 36
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:03:03 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WBCCI membership revisited
On 02/11/02, H Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also there are other, maybe hidden, benefits of being a WBCCI member.>
That's an understatement.
For example, today (02/13/02 Wednesday) Sandie and I began planning where
we'd stay two nights prior to next week's Florida State Rally (Sarasota).
Typically, our schedule is fluid and seldom confirmed more than a week in
advance.
Mostly, we develop it by using a simple system of reviewing our list of
known options (48+ categories). Partway through the list, we recognized the
most obvious one was courtesy parking.
With our WBCCI membership directory in hand, we looked up Sarasota and sure
enough, one of the WBCCI members had extended an invitation to us (and all
other WBCCI members) to use courtesy parking at their house.
Ten minutes and one phone call later, our two open nights before Rally were
confirmed. We have directions to the house, a suggestion for how to back
onto the site, the location of the electric plug and the water spigot.
In addition, we're about to meet another enthusiastic WBCCI couple. Those
are the kind of people we enjoy rubbing shoulders with and getting to know.
As an aside, we've used our courtesy parking list to identify WBCCI members
in cities where we've needed mechanical work done. Each time, our call to
them has been met with an insightful recommendation which resulted in the
repairs being done to our satisfaction. Benefit? Priceless.
Granted, these are only two examples of hidden benefits, but they're
symbolic of other more obvious benefits that occur regularly in our contacts
with other WBCCI members. Being a member of WBCCI puts us in touch with
folks we might not otherwise meet. Hopefully, it's a two way street and
other members benefit from their contacts with us.
Terry
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You only live once - but if you work it right, once is enough." Joe E.
Lewis
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Message Number: 37
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:44:11 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
>>.....but I am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you
actually sew into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material?<<
Howdy Phil:
I actually rebuilt some awnings without sewing. An unexpected storm ripped
the main awning off my Safari. It tore adjacent to the bead mount on the
trailer no doubt due to the age and sun damage.
I got some polyurathane glue and after trimming off the damaged part, folded
the material over the bead, glued and clamped it. That was about 3 years
ago and it's still going strong.
I later added an Alumi-Gard cover over it to keep the sun off. The original
awning had a soft UV resistant gray cover, but that was the part that
failed.
I also completely rebuilt the small awnings that I have on the rear and side
widows without sewing them either. I use pieces of 1 x 2 and C-clamps to
compress the laps until the glue set up. Waxed paper if needed.
I used Sunbrella material for the small awnings. Good stuff. I chose the
Silver color. Matched the aluminum very well. The main awning is still the
original 60's striped material (Carefree).
BTW Phil, how big an awning are you envisioning? Putting mine back on the
trailer a couple of times was really a pain, involving a ladder etc. A new
Zip Dee would be pretty nice....Oh, well.
Good luck,
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 38
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:15:01 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NAPA
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Hi
Tp day I desided to re pac lte wheel bearnings on The Silver Abaltross I knew
that I would probaly need new grease seals. So I headed to my local NAPA
parts store and when I went to check out I was amaised how expencive they
were.I commented to the lady on the cashregister about the price She than
asked me if I was a member of AAA when I showed her my bill was rudeced
almost $15.00 I said that I had bought a greatdeal from there and never knew
about it.She said there was a sign on the intrance about itI never noticed it
and that were not suppose to tell custimers about as the discount cuts Into
their profit. I dont know if this is only here in Tampa Or all over but it
would pay to check.
Jim Smith
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Tp day I desided to re pac lte wheel bearnings on The Silver Abaltross I knew that I
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Message Number: 39
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:15:13 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WBCCI membership revisited
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In a message dated 2/13/2002 9:03:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> When was the last time you wrote and sent in an
> artical for the Blue Beret?
> With a volunteer organization those who criticize get
> the job next time.
> Let's start sending in articals and pictures about
> vintage restoring and get a new look to the magazine
> instead of wondering why there is nothing there. It
> can't happen if you won't let it happen.
>
> Doug #3327
>
>
Doug, I think you misunderstand me. I for one enjoy the articles in the Blue
Beret. The information about the different activities the intra clubs hold,
is enjoyable to me.
Even though I do not have a ham set, use my computer for little more than a
word processor, and hopefully will have many more years with my wife, and
have a unit that just skims the vintage years, there is one thing that ties
us all together, the love of travel in our airstreams. This is why I like to
read these. I am not a VAC member, I love the restoration that goes on, the
beauty of a highly polished unit, the fact that these pieces of American
History will live on. I admire the skill and handy work that goes into these
units. I love reading about the restoration process of units that I will
never own. For me, I long for the day that a new stream rises to the top of
my list of purchases. As for writing an article about the VAC, I'm not
qualified. I read the Blue Beret for this information. My statement was in
other words I miss the VAC update. There are many of us that do not receive
the vintage vantage, but like to hear what is going on in other groups. I
venture to say there many more like me.
J.L.Dietz # 4361,
2 V.P. Keystone Unit,
Dump crew Region 2 rally Kutztown
Dump crew PA State rally 2001
Scoutmaster Troop 99
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When was the last time you wrote and sent in an<BR>
artical for the Blue Beret?<BR>
With a volunteer organization those who criticize get<BR>
the job next time.<BR>
Let's start sending in articals and pictures about<BR>
vintage restoring and get a new look to the magazine<BR>
instead of wondering why there is nothing there. It<BR>
can't happen if you won't let it happen.<BR>
<BR>
Doug #3327<BR>
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Doug, I think you misunderstand me. I for one enjoy the articles in the Blue Beret.
The information about the different activities the intra clubs hold, is enjoyable to
me.<BR>
Even though I do not have a ham set, use my computer for little more than a word
processor, and hopefully will have many more years with my wife, and have a unit that
just skims the vintage years, there is one thing that ties us all together, the love
of <BR>
J.L.Dietz # 4361, <BR>
2 V.P. Keystone Unit,<BR>
Dump crew Region 2 rally Kutztown<BR>
Dump crew PA State rally 2001<BR>
Scoutmaster Troop 99<BR>
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