VACList-Digest Thursday, February 14, 2002 Issue 212
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Refer Door
2. Re: 2 volt microwave required?
3. noxious fumes and recessed lights
4. Re: Refer Door
5. awnings
6. Re:
7. WBCCI membership
8. Indiana Rally?
9. Indiana Rally?
10. Stamped & Dated LP tanks
11. Re: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
12. Indiana Rally? An Interest Poll
13. Re: Indiana Rally?
14. "VAC" Rallys
15. Re: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
16. Re: awning fabric
17. Service Door Hardware on 1968 Caravel
18. Service Door Hardware on 1968 Caravel
19. Speaking of clubs...
20. Re: Indiana Rally?
21. Re: awning fabric
22. Re: Indiana Rally?
23. Re: awning fabric
24. Re: Refer Door
25. Re: awning fabric
26. Width of structural bows?
27. Re: Width of structural bows?
28. A/C Removal
29. Re: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
30. Clearcoat Removal
31. Re: A/C Removal
32. Re: Clearcoat Removal
33. Clecos Size
34. Re: Clecos Size
35. Re: Bambi Skins
36. Re: awning fabric
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:03:21 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Refer Door
There is a place in Fife Washington called RV Wheels 253-922-5686 Fred Tveton
is the owner he is from a long line of Airstreamer. He family used to own the
Airstream dealership years ago here. He works on all kinda of Airstreams but
specializes in refer repairs he has fixed a couple of them for friends of
ours. He has tons of old refers in the big shop give him a call and see if he
can help.
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:19:52 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2 volt microwave required?
Is there such a thing ?
Daisy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Pardon a dumb question but should you use a 12 volt microwave? Or is 110volt
> the way to go? Which microwave oven should we get for our '65 Trade Wind 24'?
>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:27:22 -0600
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: noxious fumes and recessed lights
Hi Vac'ers
we recently instaled a macerator and routed the gray out a different
outlet.now occationally the trailor fills with this NASTY odor.
Help!!!!!!!!!!we're full timers and while I am flexable I do have my
limits!!!!!!!!!!!It seems to be worse when the bathtub drain it pluged
however the smell is sooooooooo badddddddddd I may be hallucinating.
Also we have recessed lights in much of the trailor. little round
lights about 2inches in diamiter. they have little white plastic gaskets
that keep them in the ceiling. one of these broke. any ideas about getting
one of these.
thanks
Gina
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:24:51 -0600
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Refer Door
Thanks, I will call them.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Refer Door
> There is a place in Fife Washington called RV Wheels 253-922-5686 Fred
Tveton
> is the owner he is from a long line of Airstreamer. He family used to own
the
> Airstream dealership years ago here. He works on all kinda of Airstreams
but
> specializes in refer repairs he has fixed a couple of them for friends of
> ours. He has tons of old refers in the big shop give him a call and see if
he
> can help.
>
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:58:29 -0800
From: "Alec Fisken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: awnings
Hi guys - sorry about adding the "s" to beaconfabric.com - thanks to those
who straightened that out. I am interested in the awning stories because I'm
entertaining 2 possibilities: either make one out of the Sunbrella fabric
from that site, or buy one that goes on tent trailers and comes complete
with all the poles. I've seen these on ebay, and the seller/manufacturer -
PalaminoRV.com - claims you don't need guide ropes. Does anyone have
experience with that type?
On another subject, I watched Roam Sweet Home last night, after seeing it
promoted on the VAC website. It was wonderful - especially if you are a
dog-lover. A documentary that featured lots of Airstreams and Airstream
sages, and lots of desert-dwellers who were real characters. I recommend it,
and thank RJ (or whoever put it on the website) for the suggestion. My
public library had a copy, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.
Kathy Fisken
'66 Caravel
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:08:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
I went out and looked at mine pretty close and it looks like the front
and rear caps are made of flat pieces of aluminum sheet, bent in place and
riveted. They give the impression of a compound curve because the
wide end (the "crust" of the pizza slice shape) is bent into a slight curve
to match up with the roof panel. If it's not a compound curve, it would
seem a relatively simple task to replace one piece.
Anybody know for sure? I've been wrong before of course . . .
Joe Insinga
'61 Bambi
Bend it around yourself Joe.....lol. Um....be careful replacing the skins.
The little Bambi here is in need of 3 new front skins.... A metal shop is a
good place to take it to in the event you aren't sure about how to do the
bending, since you live so far away....can't help you much. But then again,
you told me you have some restorer indebted to you so what's up with that?
Just ask HIM:)
w
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:21:18 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WBCCI membership
> We too were not that happy with the "Blue Beret" and it's almost total lack
> of revelant info for the restorers like our selves. We could make a big list
> of things that woul improve their newsletter but then we have our hands full
> getting the chipped mahogany veneer fixed on our cabinet restoration. So
> we'll fix one thing at a time. How did the restoration group function
without
> the VAC?! Can you belong only to the VAC?
>
> Stuart and Bonnie Resor
The WBCCI isn't a "restorers info center". It's the REASON that the VAC
exists.... The VAC is "a restorers info center". The Blue Beret is a benefit
to WBCCI membership. It isn't for everyone, but it does have information
about Airstream and the company and the events that aren't necessarily VAC,
but are WBCCI...as in Wally Byam Caravan Club International...... The 2 go
hand in hand....several including Ed, Scott, and I have tried to explain
this. I think that by going to a local VAC event...may I suggest a somewhat
local unit to you....San Bernadino....that is heavy on the vintage side, you
can find out from those who have belonged to VAC and WBCCI what the benefits
of both the clubs are to them...and you might be able to draw from both. They
are both GREAT groups.
How's that 65 coming along?
Wendy@3 Peaks
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:36:40 -0500
From: "john or cindy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Indiana Rally?
Hi fellow VAC'rs
Did someone say they were going to set up a VAC rally in Indiana? If so, I
forgot where & when. I have been thinking about going to Parke county to see
their 30+ covered bridges. www.coveredbridges.com
It sure would be nice if the rally was within a short driving distance from
there. If not, we could just include the bridges in our travel from
northern MI. to the rally. My wife & I are new to VAC & have never been to
one of the rallies.
John & Cindy Young
WBCCI 6034 & VAC
58 Caravanner (project)
73 Tradewind (active)
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Message Number: 9
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:42:28 -0500
From: "john or cindy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Indiana Rally?
Hi fellow VAC'rs
Did someone say they were going to set up a VAC rally in Indiana? If so, I
forgot where & when. I have been thinking about going to Parke county to see
their 30+ covered bridges. www.coveredbridges.com
It sure would be nice if the rally was within a short driving distance from
there. If not, we could just include the bridges in our travel from
northern MI. to the rally. My wife & I are new to VAC & have never been to
one of the rallies.
John & Cindy Young
WBCCI 6034 & VAC
58 Caravanner (project)
73 Tradewind (active)
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Message Number: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:26:40 -0700
From: "Brad Norgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
Hi all,
I've heard several different stories on recertification old LP tanks. If a
tank is stamped with the date from the mid-70s, can it be recertified when
new OPD are put on? What is the length of certification and what happens if
they don't get recertified before the expiration date? Can someone clear
this up for me? I'm new to having a propane system. Thanks for all of your
advise and assistance.
Brad Norgaard
'59 Trade Wind
Phoenix
WBCCI #2699, VAC
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Message Number: 11
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:59:24 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
Brad,
Anyplace that sells the OPD valves can recertify the tank; it's then
good for 5 years before needing it again. Although most places don't
check the date on the tank, you'll occassionally run into one that does
and will refuse to fill your tank. (rare, in my experience)
<<Jim>>
Brad Norgaard wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've heard several different stories on recertification old LP tanks. If a
> tank is stamped with the date from the mid-70s, can it be recertified when
> new OPD are put on? What is the length of certification and what happens if
> they don't get recertified before the expiration date? Can someone clear
> this up for me? I'm new to having a propane system. Thanks for all of your
> advise and assistance.
>
> Brad Norgaard
> '59 Trade Wind
> Phoenix
> WBCCI #2699, VAC
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:36:57 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Indiana Rally? An Interest Poll
Cindy & John -
And Everybody -
As an outdoor event professional, I would be glad to help put on an Indiana
event this year. With six responses to the following poll, I will conclude
there is enough interest to begin researching an event
Here is the poll:
A) What weekend?
Envision this schedule: Friday morning through sundown Sunday.
Because it gets HOT and muggy in Indiana, I am focussing on spring or fall.
B) Can you boondock for this period of time? This will probably be required.
C) Should pumpout service be called in before camp breaks up?
D) Open house? Public or Private?
E) Your ideas comments concerns:
I am hoping to discover who How many and to what extent folks either going
through or could make Indiana a destination for a VAC event. I tried this in
May of last year with low, but high quality turn out in Elkhart. We visited
and camped, and had a wonderful time. I identified a bad weekend as another
vintage event was going on at the same time, but the folks who came were
great and we had a very good time. Some of the goals were:
Be able to be a weekend only event as so many VACers are not retired yet.
Show up Friday, break up Sunday afternoon or evening.
Be a VAC (and hence WBCCI event) and let anyone in the WBCCI come who would,
including newer rigs so as to be hospitable towards older members. This out
reach effort is easy to do and builds bridges. Some generational uneasiness
usually comes from fear of the unknown. Those that come have fun and see us
"kids" are okay.
Have an Open House time. Nothing is as much fun as showing the results of
lots of time money and sweat.
Avoid a lot of running around town. Some rallies are packed with fun, maybe a
little too much. We camped, and had a great time just talking visiting and
watching the children play; Yes young families with kids showed up and had a
ball. They were hoping to give to their kids the simple fun times they had
when they were children. A second generation Airstream family. Because it
was a short event not much was need to be organized. It was very simple to
do.
Reply Off List to:
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Alex In Indiana
66 Safari & Overlander
WBCCI 8728
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Message Number: 13
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:41:55 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Indiana Rally?
I was considering setting up an informal Rally in SE Indiana/SW Ohio/ N
Kentucky. I then heard that Regions 4 & 5 were considering having a
combined VAC Rally. So, I put my plans on hold.
I just heard this week that the combined rally will NOT be happening this
year. So, I am going to start looking into setting up an "informal" rally
in the September/October time frame.
If anyone has comments, suggestions, or wishes to help out in this
endeavor, please drop me a line, off list.
Dave
At 04:42 AM 2/14/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi fellow VAC'rs
>Did someone say they were going to set up a VAC rally in Indiana? If so, I
>forgot where & when. I have been thinking about going to Parke county to see
>their 30+ covered bridges. www.coveredbridges.com
>It sure would be nice if the rally was within a short driving distance from
>there. If not, we could just include the bridges in our travel from
>northern MI. to the rally. My wife & I are new to VAC & have never been to
>one of the rallies.
>John & Cindy Young
>WBCCI 6034 & VAC
>58 Caravanner (project)
>73 Tradewind (active)
>
>
>
>
>
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 14
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:48:09 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: "VAC" Rallys
As I mentioned in a previous posting, I am considering setting up a rally
this fall. This will be an informal 3-4 day get together, most likely at a
place that has hookups, altho a dry camp camp out is still a possibility.
What are the rules/terms & conditions/guidelines for calling it a "VAC" Rally?
I am mildly concerned about liability issues. If someone gets hurt during
"my" Rally, can I be held responsible? (I hate having to even consider
this, but in these times, everyone is looking for someone else to blame,
and pay... :-( ).
Hints, tips and suggestions for planning and running a rally are gladly
welcomed.
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 15
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:56:27 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
I have two years left on my re-certified tanks.
When I took them to get OPD valves installed ($12 each, plus the cost of a
fill), I asked about re-certification. The guy said that they can be
re-certified every five years, as long as the tanks "look good".
He said that Aluminum tanks last a LONG time, since they don't have the
rust problem that steel tanks do. As long as you don't drop them, or cause
other physical damage, they should last "forever".
Dave
At 05:26 AM 2/14/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I've heard several different stories on recertification old LP tanks. If a
>tank is stamped with the date from the mid-70s, can it be recertified when
>new OPD are put on? What is the length of certification and what happens if
>they don't get recertified before the expiration date? Can someone clear
>this up for me? I'm new to having a propane system. Thanks for all of your
>advise and assistance.
>
>Brad Norgaard
>'59 Trade Wind
>Phoenix
>WBCCI #2699, VAC
>
>
>
>
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 16
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:44:11 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Hey Gary
Glue sounds like a possible alternative to sewing. But sewing awning
material can't be that hard, can it? I mean, the sewing machine does all the
work doesn't it? You just put the material in one end and pull it out the
other (grin).
Seriously, I was standing out beside the Overlander this AM, looking at the
bead rail and realizing what a pain it would be to put that awning up with
the ladder and everything. I guess that's why Zip Dees are popular.
Phil
Guilford, CT
63 Overlander
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
> >>.....but I am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you
> actually sew into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material?<<
>
> Howdy Phil:
>
> I actually rebuilt some awnings without sewing. An unexpected storm
ripped
> the main awning off my Safari. It tore adjacent to the bead mount on the
> trailer no doubt due to the age and sun damage.
>
> I got some polyurathane glue and after trimming off the damaged part,
folded
> the material over the bead, glued and clamped it. That was about 3 years
> ago and it's still going strong.
>
> I later added an Alumi-Gard cover over it to keep the sun off. The
original
> awning had a soft UV resistant gray cover, but that was the part that
> failed.
>
> I also completely rebuilt the small awnings that I have on the rear and
side
> widows without sewing them either. I use pieces of 1 x 2 and C-clamps to
> compress the laps until the glue set up. Waxed paper if needed.
>
> I used Sunbrella material for the small awnings. Good stuff. I chose the
> Silver color. Matched the aluminum very well. The main awning is still
the
> original 60's striped material (Carefree).
>
> BTW Phil, how big an awning are you envisioning? Putting mine back on
the
> trailer a couple of times was really a pain, involving a ladder etc. A
new
> Zip Dee would be pretty nice....Oh, well.
>
> Good luck,
>
> GQ '67 Safari
>
>
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:56:45 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Service Door Hardware on 1968 Caravel
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<P>Thanks in Advance</P>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:59:46 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Service Door Hardware on 1968 Caravel
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Message Number: 19
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:49:03 -0600
From: John Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Speaking of clubs...
I am looking for information on the Empire State Travel Trailer Club, it is
or was a NY club from 1961 to ???, if you can provide any information and a
person(s) to contact it would be appreciated.
Thank You,
John Schubert, WBCCI 3098
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Message Number: 20
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:40:31 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Indiana Rally?
Hey, Dave ...
I don't know anything about organizing a rally but if you can think of
something I might be able to do from Atlanta -- run it by me. I haven't
heard of any plans for another Vintage Rally at Top of Georgia in the
September-October time frame but the one we attended last year was the
second one held there and I believe in that time frame. Because of the
extensive use of ToG during the spring, summer and fall, it probably has to
be scheduled when the heaviest use has tapered off.
I'll try writing to James George and see if they are thinking of another one
and if so when.
Regards to Ann.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:41
Subject: [VAC] Re: Indiana Rally?
> I was considering setting up an informal Rally in SE Indiana/SW Ohio/ N
> Kentucky. I then heard that Regions 4 & 5 were considering having a
> combined VAC Rally. So, I put my plans on hold.
>
> I just heard this week that the combined rally will NOT be happening this
> year. So, I am going to start looking into setting up an "informal" rally
> in the September/October time frame.
>
> If anyone has comments, suggestions, or wishes to help out in this
> endeavor, please drop me a line, off list.
>
> Dave
>
>
> At 04:42 AM 2/14/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi fellow VAC'rs
> >Did someone say they were going to set up a VAC rally in Indiana? If so,
I
> >forgot where & when. I have been thinking about going to Parke county to
see
> >their 30+ covered bridges. www.coveredbridges.com
> >It sure would be nice if the rally was within a short driving distance
from
> >there. If not, we could just include the bridges in our travel from
> >northern MI. to the rally. My wife & I are new to VAC & have never been
to
> >one of the rallies.
> >John & Cindy Young
> >WBCCI 6034 & VAC
> >58 Caravanner (project)
> >73 Tradewind (active)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> _________________________________________________________________
> Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> WBCCI: 5074
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:01:45 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
If you have a helper, putting the awning up takes no more than 5 or 10
minutes once you get used to it. Yes a ZipDee would be nice, but so would
being able to retire some day! My wife and I use a piece of canvas with
poles and guy lines. Yes it is a bit of a hassle, no we don't put it up
unless we are planning on spending a couple of days, but assuming that we
don't win the lottery we will continue with our "vintage appropriate" style
of awning as long as one of us can stand on the step ladder and the other
can pull!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
SNIP
Seriously, I was standing out beside the Overlander this AM, looking at the
> bead rail and realizing what a pain it would be to put that awning up with
> the ladder and everything. I guess that's why Zip Dees are popular.
>
> Phil
> Guilford, CT
> 63 Overlander
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Message Number: 22
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:30:20 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Indiana Rally?
Thanks for the offer. Will let you know if anything develops.
Please let me know what James George sats.
Thanks!
Dave
At 11:40 AM 2/14/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey, Dave ...
>
>I don't know anything about organizing a rally but if you can think of
>something I might be able to do from Atlanta -- run it by me. I haven't
>heard of any plans for another Vintage Rally at Top of Georgia in the
>September-October time frame but the one we attended last year was the
>second one held there and I believe in that time frame. Because of the
>extensive use of ToG during the spring, summer and fall, it probably has to
>be scheduled when the heaviest use has tapered off.
>
>I'll try writing to James George and see if they are thinking of another one
>and if so when.
>
>Regards to Ann.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:41
>Subject: [VAC] Re: Indiana Rally?
>
>
> > I was considering setting up an informal Rally in SE Indiana/SW Ohio/ N
> > Kentucky. I then heard that Regions 4 & 5 were considering having a
> > combined VAC Rally. So, I put my plans on hold.
> >
> > I just heard this week that the combined rally will NOT be happening this
> > year. So, I am going to start looking into setting up an "informal" rally
> > in the September/October time frame.
> >
> > If anyone has comments, suggestions, or wishes to help out in this
> > endeavor, please drop me a line, off list.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > At 04:42 AM 2/14/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi fellow VAC'rs
> > >Did someone say they were going to set up a VAC rally in Indiana? If so,
>I
> > >forgot where & when. I have been thinking about going to Parke county to
>see
> > >their 30+ covered bridges. www.coveredbridges.com
> > >It sure would be nice if the rally was within a short driving distance
>from
> > >there. If not, we could just include the bridges in our travel from
> > >northern MI. to the rally. My wife & I are new to VAC & have never been
>to
> > >one of the rallies.
> > >John & Cindy Young
> > >WBCCI 6034 & VAC
> > >58 Caravanner (project)
> > >73 Tradewind (active)
> > >
> > >
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Message Number: 23
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:32:25 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Phil, maybe you can get Doug Rowbottom to tell you about how he attaches his
awning to the trailer with permanently mounted hooks in the bead rail that
go through grommets in the awning. I believe he told me he could put it up
all by himself. It was a pretty neat arrangement.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:44
Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
> Hey Gary
>
> Glue sounds like a possible alternative to sewing. But sewing awning
> material can't be that hard, can it? I mean, the sewing machine does all
the
> work doesn't it? You just put the material in one end and pull it out the
> other (grin).
>
> Seriously, I was standing out beside the Overlander this AM, looking at
the
> bead rail and realizing what a pain it would be to put that awning up with
> the ladder and everything. I guess that's why Zip Dees are popular.
>
> Phil
> Guilford, CT
> 63 Overlander
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:44 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
>
>
> > >>.....but I am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you
> > actually sew into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material?<<
> >
> > Howdy Phil:
> >
> > I actually rebuilt some awnings without sewing. An unexpected storm
> ripped
> > the main awning off my Safari. It tore adjacent to the bead mount on
the
> > trailer no doubt due to the age and sun damage.
> >
> > I got some polyurathane glue and after trimming off the damaged part,
> folded
> > the material over the bead, glued and clamped it. That was about 3
years
> > ago and it's still going strong.
> >
> > I later added an Alumi-Gard cover over it to keep the sun off. The
> original
> > awning had a soft UV resistant gray cover, but that was the part that
> > failed.
> >
> > I also completely rebuilt the small awnings that I have on the rear and
> side
> > widows without sewing them either. I use pieces of 1 x 2 and C-clamps
to
> > compress the laps until the glue set up. Waxed paper if needed.
> >
> > I used Sunbrella material for the small awnings. Good stuff. I chose
the
> > Silver color. Matched the aluminum very well. The main awning is still
> the
> > original 60's striped material (Carefree).
> >
> > BTW Phil, how big an awning are you envisioning? Putting mine back on
> the
> > trailer a couple of times was really a pain, involving a ladder etc. A
> new
> > Zip Dee would be pretty nice....Oh, well.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > GQ '67 Safari
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 24
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:51:13 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Refer Door
> Thanks, I will call them.
> Randy
Hey again Randy:
Reading this e-mail jogged my memory banks (takes a lot of jogging these
days).
A couple of years ago I happened to stop in at an out of the way RV place in
Arcata, CA. The guy who owned the place was rebuilding a fridge in his
old-time shop while I was talking to him. Might be worth a call. Lots of
stuff laying around. Big yard of old trailers stored there. A real
knowledgeable guy.
Travelmaster RV Center
707.822.4833
John Torrana
I stopped in to see if he had a tail light (Reflect-o-lite 110-150) laying
around. He rummaged around in several drawers and came up with one (very
used). Gave it to me. It's that kind of a place.
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 25
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:01:24 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Scott and Jim
I've already given up on the idea of retiring. I'll be 65 when my youngest
starts college. Good Lord, what have I done?
Actually, it's not the putting up, it's the hauling of a step ladder to do
it.
Yes, Jim, I'd like to hear about other "one man" arrangements. Just
thinking, how about a grommet at the beginning edge of the bead that you can
use a pole hooked to in order to guide the bead into the bead rail. No
ladder involved.
Realistically though, the interior of my Overlander is still gutted, but the
floor is patched. If I don't get it put back together and finished, I don't
think I'll have to worry about an awning this year.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:01 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
> If you have a helper, putting the awning up takes no more than 5 or 10
> minutes once you get used to it. Yes a ZipDee would be nice, but so would
> being able to retire some day! My wife and I use a piece of canvas with
> poles and guy lines. Yes it is a bit of a hassle, no we don't put it up
> unless we are planning on spending a couple of days, but assuming that we
> don't win the lottery we will continue with our "vintage appropriate"
style
> of awning as long as one of us can stand on the step ladder and the other
> can pull!
>
> Scott
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Message Number: 26
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:08:34 -0800
From: Rob Super <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Width of structural bows?
Can anyone tell me the exact width of the upper flange of the structural
bows (the aluminum ribs that run up the sides and over the top) inside
the roof of our '73 Safari?
I believe these are U-channels oriented with the base of the U facing
the front (or back?) of the trailer, and I'm guessing that the flanges
of the U are on the order of 1-1/2 to 2 inches each--but I want to know
for sure before drilling. I'm installing solar panels, and the rivet
lines on the roof are nominally 48" on center, as is the distance
between the mounting holes on the solar panels--but each measurement is
a bit off (in opposite directions) so I need to make a bit of an
adjustment and want to be sure to hit structure.
TIA,
Rob
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Message Number: 27
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:29 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Width of structural bows?
Rob. There is no center to center nominal dimension for the main bows used by
Airstream on your 73. The main bows are not shaped like a "U". They are
shaped like a "Z" sort of. The vertical part of the Z is not angled, but
straight. The inside to outside dimensions of the bows are 1 3/4 inches. Each
flange of the bow is 11/16 wide. You must be near the center of the bows, so
that you don't get into trouble. Airstream has never used a bow that was 1
1/2 to 2 inches wide. Also there is no standard as to the location of each
main bow, except for the very first and last one. Andy
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Message Number: 28
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:18:49 -0500
From: Porter Gillian L CRPH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A/C Removal
I'm planning on polishing this spring - so I figure now's the time to remove the ugly
A/C from the roof. I'd like to replace it with a fan-tastic fan. Does anyone know
what's involved in the removal on the A/C? Will I have to patch the skin? Is the op
Gillian
64 Globe Trotter
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Message Number: 29
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:55:26 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stamped & Dated LP tanks
Hey Brad,
I just had my 30lb. aluminum LP tanks updated to OPD, and the original
stamp on them was 1973. They updated the valves, and refilled the tanks.
There are no new stamps on the tanks, so I don't know how anyone would
know they've been "recertified", except for the fact that they have the
new valves. I used Bell Road RV here in Phoenix, they charged $29.95 for
the new valve, $12.00 for labor and recertification, $12.00 for propane,
plus tax, for a total of $57.35/tank. Ouch.
--
Ted Byrd
1958 Overlander
Brad Norgaard wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I've heard several different stories on recertification old LP tanks. If a
> tank is stamped with the date from the mid-70s, can it be recertified when
> new OPD are put on? What is the length of certification and what happens if
> they don't get recertified before the expiration date? Can someone clear
> this up for me? I'm new to having a propane system. Thanks for all of your
> advise and assistance.
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Message Number: 30
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:59:09 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Clearcoat Removal
<html><div style='background-color:'><P>Hello Airstream fans:</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Is there any way to remove the clearcoat using a cyclo polisher? I'd rather avoid
having to strip the clearcoat using liquid solvents.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Thanks in advance</P>
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Message Number: 31
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:57:56 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A/C Removal
What Airconditioner is on the roof? Need the make and model, and I will be
happy to answer your question. Andy
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Message Number: 32
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:59:13 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Clearcoat Removal
The clearcoat must be stripped before any polishing. Andy
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Message Number: 33
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:14:19 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Clecos Size
<html><div style='background-color:'><P>What size cleco should I use to hold
my skin replacement in place? How is the rivet size related to clecos size? </P>
<P>For example from Aircraft Spruce:</P>
<P>
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<TD align=middle width=98 bgColor=#ffcc00><B><FONT face=Arial>Color
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<TD align=middle width=98 bgColor=#ffcc00><FONT face=Arial>Copper</FONT></TD>
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<TD align=middle width=98 bgColor=#ffcc00><FONT face=Arial>Black</FONT></TD>
<TD align=middle width=60 bgColor=#ffcc00><FONT face=Arial>#20</FONT></TD>
<TD align=middle width=97 bgColor=#ffcc00><FONT face=Arial><B>$0.420</B></FONT></TD>
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<P> </P>
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Message Number: 34
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:45:27 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Clecos Size
Jeff. You use olympic rivets when replacing Airstream sheet metal. They have
a diameter of 5/32 inch. When you drill the new holes, you must use a #21
drill bit and not a #20 as Aircraft Spruce suggests. If you use #20's almost
every rivet will leak. If your going to buck rivet, then you use a #30 drill
bit which is an oversize 1/8 inch.
Andy
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Message Number: 35
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:3:5 -0500
From: "Joe Insinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bambi Skins
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Actually Wendy, my Bambi doesn't need any skins replaced. And I was
corrected in my wrong assumption that the panels were flat. It seems that
the 7 skin caps did indeed use compound curves. Your metal shop suggestion
is a good one however.
Now I'm off to get that Gawd-awful gold shag carpet out of there and
replace the blue lightbulbs in the interior lamps . . .
Or I could just turn the thing into a mini disco! Wanna dance?
Joe Insinga
'61 Bambi (interior by the Bee Gee's)
"Out of chaos, comes order" - F. Nietzsche
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Message Number: 36
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:02:20 -0400
From: "The Gammon's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awning fabric
Hi Folks,
I am new to the VAC discussion group and have been following the
conversation for the last while.
This is our 3rd Airsteam trailer, the first being a 1964 Bambi which I
regret having sold more that ten years ago. We then moved up to a 1967 21'
Globetrotter (stored in my father's barn) and this past fall bought a 1973
27' Overlander. Sort of becomes a passion..doesn't it?
I didn't have an awning for the Bambi. I had the canvas and poles and found
that the easiest way to fasten the awning to the trailer was with the use of
some dinky hooks I purchased from Camping World:
http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?deptID=1&subOf=54,2&skunum
=8014
They slide easily into the channel/rail on the trailer. Using this method,
I was also able to expand the size of my awning with a large tarp. Worked
for me !!
Greg Gammon
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
> Phil, maybe you can get Doug Rowbottom to tell you about how he attaches
his
> awning to the trailer with permanently mounted hooks in the bead rail that
> go through grommets in the awning. I believe he told me he could put it up
> all by himself. It was a pretty neat arrangement.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:44
> Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
>
>
> > Hey Gary
> >
> > Glue sounds like a possible alternative to sewing. But sewing awning
> > material can't be that hard, can it? I mean, the sewing machine does all
> the
> > work doesn't it? You just put the material in one end and pull it out
the
> > other (grin).
> >
> > Seriously, I was standing out beside the Overlander this AM, looking at
> the
> > bead rail and realizing what a pain it would be to put that awning up
with
> > the ladder and everything. I guess that's why Zip Dees are popular.
> >
> > Phil
> > Guilford, CT
> > 63 Overlander
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:44 PM
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: awning fabric
> >
> >
> > > >>.....but I am not a sewing person (but willing to try). how do you
> > > actually sew into the edge of the fabric the "bead" material?<<
> > >
> > > Howdy Phil:
> > >
> > > I actually rebuilt some awnings without sewing. An unexpected storm
> > ripped
> > > the main awning off my Safari. It tore adjacent to the bead mount on
> the
> > > trailer no doubt due to the age and sun damage.
> > >
> > > I got some polyurathane glue and after trimming off the damaged part,
> > folded
> > > the material over the bead, glued and clamped it. That was about 3
> years
> > > ago and it's still going strong.
> > >
> > > I later added an Alumi-Gard cover over it to keep the sun off. The
> > original
> > > awning had a soft UV resistant gray cover, but that was the part that
> > > failed.
> > >
> > > I also completely rebuilt the small awnings that I have on the rear
and
> > side
> > > widows without sewing them either. I use pieces of 1 x 2 and C-clamps
> to
> > > compress the laps until the glue set up. Waxed paper if needed.
> > >
> > > I used Sunbrella material for the small awnings. Good stuff. I chose
> the
> > > Silver color. Matched the aluminum very well. The main awning is
still
> > the
> > > original 60's striped material (Carefree).
> > >
> > > BTW Phil, how big an awning are you envisioning? Putting mine back
on
> > the
> > > trailer a couple of times was really a pain, involving a ladder etc.
A
> > new
> > > Zip Dee would be pretty nice....Oh, well.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > GQ '67 Safari
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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