VACList-Digest Wednesday, February 27, 2002 Issue 225
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Replacing Shocks
2. Insurance for a/s
3. Re: Replacing Shocks
4. Re: Replacing Shocks
5. Re: Awning stripes
6. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
7. Re: Replacing Shocks
8. Re: Replacing Shocks
9. Converter
10. Re: Furnace Replacement
11. But does it come in BLACK aluminum?
12. Vintage Parts
13. Re: Balancing Wheels
14. Re: Vintage Parts
15. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
16. Re: But does it come in BLACK aluminum?
17. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
18. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
19. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
20. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
21. Re: Replacing Shocks
22. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
23. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
24. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
25. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
26. Shocks
27. Tire protectorant
28. Sources for awnings
29. Repair in Houston
30. Re: Shocks
31. Re: Repair in Houston
32. Re: Repair in Houston
33. Re: Repair in Houston
34. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
35. Re: Re Replacing Shocks
36. Re: Repair in Houston
37. Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:33:54 EST
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Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks
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Any one who ever drove on I10 in Texas should know what tears trailers apart
the washboard highway sets up i harmonic vibration that plays hell with the
trailer and tow truck. My water lines broke as a result.will wheel balancing
stop that?I think Not. When I buy tires they are static balanced as any auto
tire is. When I repacked the wheel I marked the bottom of the tire and spun
the wheel several times a badly out of balance wheel will always stop with
the heavy spot on the bottom. if the wheel stops in no particular order it is
reasonably balanced. As far as shocks go I replaced the original shocks
several years ago after having them matched at the local parts store they are
functioning as they should.And did not cost the inflated price that Airstream
shocks would have cost.Another item that was discussed was a microwave oven
one should buy a RV oven as the over the counter ones will nor take the
punishment that use in a trailer will render. My $79.00 microwave sat on the
floor and bounced around for many thousand of miles over the years before I
built it in and it works just fine.Any thing marine or RV is always sold at
an inflated price. As I read the post I cannot help but to wonder
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind(The Silver Albatross)
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FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Any one who ever drove on I10 in Texas should know what tears
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thJim Smith<BR>
1965 Tradewind(The Silver Albatross)<BR>
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:06:39 -0600
From: Joseph C Langlinais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Insurance for a/s
Thanks to all who replied...
Joseph C. Langlinais
Abbeville, La.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:17:14 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks
Lefty,
I don't know if a truck shop could do an on-the-trailer balance or
not. The ideal solution is what Oliver suggested: get the drums balanced
at a machine shop so you don't need to worry about it. Any wheel/tire
assy. that's balanced would be balanced when mounted on the trailer.
Actually, it'd be pretty easy to balance the drums to be "good enough".
Make a mandrel that fits the bearing races and projects from the front
and rear of the drum a few inches. Set it on a pair of LEVEL knife edges
to detect imbalance, then grind/drill/whatever on the drum until balance
is achieved. That's how grinding wheels are balanced, and they're more
critical than trailer wheels.
I'd like to see just how much practical difference is seen by balancing
the entire assembly as opposed to just the tire & wheel. A drum could be
somewhat out of balance and it probably wouldn't contribute much
vibration. But, I'm guessing, only some actual testing would confirm my
thinking one way or the other.
<<Jim>>
lefty frizzell wrote:
> Jim,
>
> What about at some truck stop or repair facility? Think they might do
> it? I'm not sure what the status of big truck work is today.
>
>
> Lefty Frizzell
> http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
>
> ****
> I can only please one person per day.
> Today is not your day.
> Tomorrow is not looking good either.
> ****
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Jim Dunmyer
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Replacing Shocks
>
>
> Scott,
> When I bought new tires for my trailer, the shop didn't balance them.
> In fact, the guy gave me some grief when I insisted that they do so, and
>
> they finally did.
>
> Dunno where you'd find someone that balances tires on the trailer these
> days. Years ago, that's how they did it, but today's shops all use those
>
> computerized balancers that do just the wheel & tire.
>
> <<Jim>>
>
> Scott Scheuermann wrote:
>
>
>>Andy,
>>
>>I have heard of balancing the wheel assembly before, but havn't the
>>slightest idea of where to go to get this done. Tire places have tried
>>
>
>>to talk me out of balancing the trailer's tires (they believe it to be
>>
>
>>unnecessary), I doubt that they would be willing/able to balance the
>>wheel assembly.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>
>
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:23:39 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks
Andy,
That's why I'd like to see some testing, just to know how much
difference it really makes to do a complete wheel balance on a trailer.
I can tell you one thing that will shake the hell outa your trailer, and
that's improper tire pressure. Many folks think that the "Max Pressure"
stamped on the tire sidewall is the correct operating pressure. That's
only true if the tire is carrying the "Max Load" (as stamped on the
sidewall). If the load is much less than the rating, the pressure should
be adjusted accordingly. Too-hard tires ride very hard. Too-soft tires
get hot and delaminate, ala the Firestones on the Ford Exploders, er,
Explorers.
Load vs. inflation pressure charts are available from the manufacturer
of your tires.
If you want to do an interesting experiment, inflate your car's tires to
45 or 50 PSI and go for a ride. You'll soon see why rivets loosen, gas
lines crack and break, etc.
<<Jim>>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Most truck tire centers can do the complete wheel balance. Anyone that says
> "it is not necessary" to balance the running gear on an Airstream trailer
> either has a bad sense of humor, or still lives in the days of the wheel
> barrel. I wonder what they would says causes the shearing of rivets, bad
> tire wear, breaking of copper tubing, electrical connections coming loose,
> water leaks, frame fatigue, sheet metal fatigue, and LPG leaks. Or perhaps
> they would say that Airstream builds a junky product. To be ill informed is
> one thing, but to pass on advice on any subject, especially an Airstream,
> without having facts, is pure fantacy. Andy
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:13:40 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Awning stripes
Hello,
We have the stripes that run up and down in blue and white. We were able
to go to our local tent and awning shop and they had the material. This
was Appleton Tent and Awning in Appleton WI.
Good luck with your search
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign (up and down blue and white striped awning)
59 Traveler (no awning)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Mon Amie
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:37 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Awning stripes
Hey, this may sound silly, but I want to put an awning on my Airstream
and I
want the stripes to go up and down - like all the stripes on the old
ones
that I see. I was told that no company makes awnings like this anymore
-
all of the stripes run lengthways. Is this true, and if so, does
someone
know how to go about getting the old style, short of spending a small
fortune for custom? Thank you for your ideas and any advise.
Lisa, '65 Sovereign
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:27:42 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jeff. If the shocks are wet, dirty looking, and or rusty, they probably are
> the originals. Replacing them is easy. Remember that they are "horizontal
> shocks", therefore, they must be replaced as such. We have them on our web
> site, inlandrv.com Also, make sure that you balance the tire, wheel, hub
> and drum as an assembly. Andy
This is timely information for me. I'm in the process of replacing the
wheels/tires, shocks, and brakes, as well as repacking the wheel
bearings, on my '58 Overlander.
First of all, the Dexter dealer from whom I purchased the wheels & tires
didn't balance them. I figure this is okay, since all of my hubs are not
balanced (when spun, they all return to the same position, even rocking
back and forth as they come to a rest), so I am going to try to find a
place that will balance the whole assembly. I'll be amazed if this
actually works, as the hubs are so heavy it will probably take a 5 lb.
weight on the rim to offset the imbalance in the hub...we'll see I
suppose.
Secondly, my shocks were very dirty and rusty, and haven't the slightest
spring left in them. Thank goodness for Tom Patterson's archives, and
the recommendation of using a Nut Splitter to get the old, rusty nuts
off. Whoever you were that recommended that, thank you! Now, I don't
know if I have "horizontal shocks", or not. They are mounted vertically
on the leaf spring suspension like an auto shock. I took them to NAPA,
and the old Delco part number didn't cross reference to any of their
numbers. The parts guy reluctantly measured the compressed length,
expanded length, and the diameter of the mounting hole. What he provided
had a metal collar through the rubber shock mounts, and the top hole
turned out to be 1/2" and the mounting studs are 5/8". I spent the
ENTIRE day today trying to mount ONE shock. ARG!! I had to pull the top
collar out, and use an X-acto knife to cut a 1/2" hole into the rubber
bushing in order to slide the top of the shock over the 5/8" mounting
stud (ever tried to drill rubber? HA!). The bottom mount on the shock
had a 5/8" diameter collar, but it was too wide to fit on the stud, so I
had to cut off about 1/4" of it. At some point, someone had bent the
bottom stud down to get the shock on or off, so I also had to tweak the
collar in order to get it to fit correctly. What a pain in the
butt...there has to be an easier way. Is there an Airstream replacement
for the shocks used on the '58 Overlander? I'd sure be willing to pay an
inflated price if I have to, to avoid going through this again.
Next, I had to replace the worn out brakes. These were not a problem, I
found generic 12" x 2" brake assemblies (loaded backing plates) at a
local truck & trailer supplier for about $40/wheel. Replacing this
piece, thank goodness, was very easy and straight forward once I got the
old, rusty bolts off.
Lastly, the old National felt grease seals were easily cross referenced
by the NAPA man, and they were only about $7/seal. But I tell you, they
don't make seals like they used to. You could kill a moose with the old
seals if you chucked 'em hard enough. The new ones look like they could
be carried away by a humming bird. As long as they hold grease, I
suppose that's what counts.
Three wheels to go and the running gear will be rolling...Man, I need a
beer.
--
Ted Byrd
1958 Overlander
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:42:30 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks
Andy,
I know the '65 Caravel are conventional vertical compression type shocks -
did the still single axle '68 Caravel change over to a different method of
mounting the shock?
RJ
'65 Caravel
> Remember that they are "horizontal
> shocks", therefore, they must be replaced as such. We have them on our web
> site, inlandrv.com Also, make sure that you balance the tire, wheel, hub
> and drum as an assembly. Andy
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:11:00 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks
With the trailing arms essentially horizontal, horizontal shocks would
have no effect on my '68 Caravel. Its too chilly to go out and crawl
under to see what is there tonight, or for the next few days.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:18:25 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Converter
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Hello All,
I want to thank all of you that replied to my question about replacing
the converter in my 68 Sovereign. We purchased the Inteli Power 9100, 55
amp and a Charge Wizard. Both were installed this past Sunday, not too
bad of a job, the hardest part was wiring in a plug under the bathroom
sink to plug into. Both seem to be working as they should (no fires!).
The next part of the job is to move the battery and add one.
Thanks for your help...... Again
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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installed this
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:45:56 -0800 (PST)
From: John Leggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Furnace Replacement
I elected to use the new Suburban exterior vent cover.
The original on the old furnace had a piece very
similar, although the fresh air vent cover was
separate from the exhaust. I didn't see much
difference.
I am unfamiliar with the Bowen you refer to. If you'd
like photos of the before and after let me know.
John
1968 Safari
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:02:35 +0000
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Furnace Replacement
Hi John , Is your vent the big square type similar to
the Bowen water
heater type ? Mine is ( 1963) and I hope to make it
look original on
the
outside .I am also thinking of more btus than OE and
adding extra
outlet
ducts , I tend to make the most of camping season and
it gets cold here
.
Last year I started march 15 th.
Chris
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Message Number: 11
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:50:30 -0500
From: "Brian M. Cacchiotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: But does it come in BLACK aluminum?
Hi All:
Well I thought I had seen quite a bit and then this bit of Airstream History
popped up on my screen.
The ultimate send off for that special VAC loved one?
Enjoy!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1076363711
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Message Number: 12
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:21:02 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vintage Parts
Greetings,
I have a number of parts from our Ohio built '58 Overlander that I plan
to get rid of. As one man's trash is another's treasure, I'm offering
the following:
1. Original 1958 Electric Brake Assemblies. These are heavy duty
suckers, not at all like the brake assemblies I just purchased, but I
don't want to store them, so they're going into the trash can if nobody
wants them. All parts are okay, but the wiring terminals came apart
while taking the brake wires off, and the pads need to be replaced,
probably the magnets too. You pay shipping, and they're yours, and yes,
they're very heavy. I'll probably have these for about 3 weeks or so
before I send them to the dump.
2. Original set of 4 Baby Moon hub caps. These are great little hub
caps, but they won't fit the new Dexter wheels that I purchased. They
have some surface rust, but they're in great condition. If you had them
re-chromed, they'd be a sharp addition. They DO need the spring clips on
the wheels to hold them on. Sorry, the original split rims went to a
tire recycling center today. :) These I'm offering as a trade. I am in
desperate need of a 1953-1958 "Standard" model Hehr window, size 25"
wide x 18" high, roughly. I can provide exact measurements if anyone has
something like this, but I'm too lazy to go look tonight.
There may be other things coming off, and so long as this isn't
considered an abuse of the list, I'll keep y'all posted on the goodies.
--
Ted Byrd
1958 Overlander
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Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:32:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Gregory Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Balancing Wheels
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Here's a URL for a wheel balance picture
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirstreamList/files/Install%20Pictures/Mvc-019f.jpg
Greg Paulsen
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:34:03 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Vintage Parts
Ted-
I really would like to see if I can obtain those baby moons. I have the wheels with
the clips and need the caps. I REALLY wish I had something to trade. I have '66
airstreams. Are you looking for Anything else?
Alex In Indiana
317-435-1354
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:50:22 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
Ted. The horizontal shocks are basically, for the Dura-Torque axle
installations. Be careful with generic backing plate assemblies. They may not
fit the depth of the hub and drum that you have. Also, we had some grease
seals made to replace the old felt seals. But the felt seals were not used in
1958. They were first used in 1964, best I remember. But the important part
is the seals that we had made are "first class" and NOT a better than
nothing. They cost more, but are great. The old shock "Delco" number won't
cross reference, because those shocks were made for Airstream, as an OEM.
Can we use your name as a testimonial, when folks inquire why it sometimes,
takes more than a modest amount of time to upgrade the running gear and
brakes?
Andy
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:11:58 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: But does it come in BLACK aluminum?
Actually, Airstream built quite a few "funeral coaches". Someone years ago,
suggested that if you bought a new Airstream, then maybe the factory would
allow your survivors to use one at "no charge", for your "last'" ride.
Something about a variation to a lifetime warranty??
Andy
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:12:21 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
Dura-Torgue axle on my '68 Caravel has vertical shocks. I crawled under
last night to look.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:39:56 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
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<P>OK...now I'm confused....</P>
<P>Andy says the 1968 Caravel takes "horizontal shocks". Dr. J says he has "vertical
shocks." </P>
<P>Please someone clarify this.</P>
<P>Thanks</P>
<P>Jeff<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>Dura-Torgue axle on my '68 Caravel has vertical shocks. I crawled under
<DIV></DIV>>last night to look.
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:55:06 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
Andy is speaking theory, I looked under my Ohio made '68 Caravel (SN.
O178J122) last night. I'm certain the shocks are vertical. You want a
picture?
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:09:34 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
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<P>Dr. J</P>
<P>No picture necessary. Just wonder what the difference is?</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>Andy is speaking theory, I looked under my Ohio made '68 Caravel (SN.
<DIV></DIV>>O178J122) last night. I'm certain the shocks are vertical. You want a
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:59 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks
RJ. The Caravel models were sometimes the "doesn't make good sense" models.
Left over parts, crazy installations, are just some of them. If the shocks
are mounted about 30 degrees horizontally, then you must use the horizontal
shocks. A 65 Caravel should have had the shocks mounted horizontally.
However, if yours are mounted vertically, then I don't know what shock
Airstream may have put on it. The old Delco horizontal shock has the number
5358647 stamped into it, and because it was an OEM shock, there never was a
cross reference number published. Most auto parts house's would tell you
that that number was a "bad" number.
Andy
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:22:39 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
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I think the big differance is price I replaced all 4 shocks on the Silver
Abaltross for less than $100. had them matched at My local parts store I have
no Ida what horrizonal shocks are these are mounted in a vertical
position.And they do the jopb and have been for 20k miles. I repeat that in
many cases the only differance between what is made for RV and Marine is the
decal and the price.
Jim Smith
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:33:00 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
Jeff. Check the number on the shock and let me know what it is. The original
horizontal shock Delco number is 5358647. The question is did Airstream use
it in place of a vertical? I don't know, but lets find out? Andy
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:48:45 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ted. The horizontal shocks are basically, for the Dura-Torque axle
> installations. Be careful with generic backing plate assemblies. They may not
> fit the depth of the hub and drum that you have. Also, we had some grease
> seals made to replace the old felt seals. But the felt seals were not used in
> 1958. They were first used in 1964, best I remember. But the important part
> is the seals that we had made are "first class" and NOT a better than
> nothing. They cost more, but are great. The old shock "Delco" number won't
> cross reference, because those shocks were made for Airstream, as an OEM.
> Can we use your name as a testimonial, when folks inquire why it sometimes,
> takes more than a modest amount of time to upgrade the running gear and
> brakes?
Hey Andy,
I'll check the measurements on the backing plate, but by eyeballing it,
they look like the same dimensions as the originals. As for the grease
seals, I'm sure the bearings were repacked since 1958, so the "newer"
1964+ seals make sense. As for the shocks, maybe you can tell me if
Airstream dealers still have replacement parts available. Stamped into
the side of the shock is:
050C-206/F.25
DELCO PRODUCTS
DAYTON OHIO U.S.A.
5394981
What would you recommend as a replacement part for this shock?
Now that I have the process down, I suspect that the other three wheels
will go significantly faster. But I suppose if I have to be a poster
child for what not to do, yet again, be my guest. Are there any perks?
;)
--
Ted Byrd
1958 Overlander
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:18:52 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
Ted. The vertical shocks will work fine for you. Good luck on your other
three wheels. A six pack per wheel, could maybe lend some encouragement.
Andy
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:52:29 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Shocks
I have a 76 and it has 4 shocks that my parts dealer found were
the same for a 1995 Chev Corvet. 4 cost $140 and that really improved the
towing and tire wear.
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Message Number: 27
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:56:27 -0800
From: "Carol and Oliver Filippi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tire protectorant
Some months ago, someone mentioned a tire dressing which is very effective
in reducing ozone damage to trailer tires. Naturally, I forgot or lost the
name of the product.
Any thoughts or comments?
Thank you.
Oliver Filippi
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Message Number: 28
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:18:37 -0500
From: Don McKelvay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sources for awnings
If you need an awning made out of Zip Dee material or need yours
restitched I highly
recommend an Amish tarp worker who has his own shop just north of
Sugarcreek, OH.
He will make tire covers, awnings out of his Zip Dee material. I had
him completely
restitch my main awning last year and highly recommend him. I learned
about him when I attended the Swiss Festival in Sugarcreek in 1995 (this
rally is fantastic!)
Erbco Custom Cover
Leroy Erb
8560 Nebraska Rd N.W.
Dundee, OH 44624
Unfortunately being Amish means he does not have a telephone or e-mail
He does not have the metal parts.
Don McKelvay #19432
1976 31' Sovereign
From: "Noah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Window Awning Replacements
Can someone suggest a source for parts and/or complete window awnings =
for my 1975 Airstream. The original equipment is Carefree of Colorado =
and I wish to replace it with the same original equipment.
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Message Number: 29
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:38:08 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Repair in Houston
What was the name of that Airstream Repair Place in Houston?
I forgot...
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Message Number: 30
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:38:17 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Shocks
Chevrolet does not use the same shock. The only horizontal shock available is
now made by Gabriel, and is made specifically for Airstream as an OEM. Delco
has not had a horizontal shock for several years. Andy
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Message Number: 31
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:40:59 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Repair in Houston
Bob Jones RV in Houston has been around over 30 years. Phone number
713-9102949. Andy
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Message Number: 32
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:49:08 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Repair in Houston
There are two in the Houston area. Bob Jones RV Repair Service in South
Houston is an Airstream Service Center, while Cliff Jones Inc. in Sealy is
an Airstream dealer, who also provides service of course. Despite the last
name, the two companies are unrelated.
-Tom
> What was the name of that Airstream Repair Place in Houston?
>
> I forgot...
>
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Message Number: 33
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:52:20 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Repair in Houston
Bob Jones RV, 1408 Missouri Street, South Houston 77587. They are just off
I-45 S. Phone 713-910-2949, ask for Chris Jones. Great people with two
generations of Airstream background and knowledge.
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> What was the name of that Airstream Repair Place in Houston?
>
> I forgot...
>
>
> Lefty Frizzell
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Message Number: 34
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:58:34 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Ted. The vertical shocks will work fine for you. Good luck on your other
> three wheels. A six pack per wheel, could maybe lend some encouragement.
> Andy
Hey again Andy,
But, is there an Airstream part for the vertical shock? The only shocks
I could get at NAPA that matched the specs of the old shocks, were
12,000 mile shocks. In addition, they didn't know what the application
was, so they could be for a Yugo for all I know, and I don't know if
they'll stand up to 12,000 miles under my Overlander. I REALLY don't
want to go to all of this trouble again if I can avoid it, I'd much
rather use an OEM part if available.
Thanks!
--
Ted Byrd
1958 Overlander
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Message Number: 35
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:03:39 +0000
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re Replacing Shocks
Hi , This had me wondering so I went out and checked . In the dark and rain
with flashlight , I was so curious .
Yep , those caravels sure are mixed up crazy dont make a lick of sense
airstreams , my 67 caravel`s shocks are vertical just like RJ`s 65. My old 65
ohio model caravel was too.
My 63 single axle with duratorque is also vertical. My 64 tandem is
vertical too, also duratorque axles . My old 63 bambi was vertical , I think I
used gabrial on that , fit just fine except for the bushing , you have to take
backing plate off to get them on/off . I forget what I put on the caravel but
it wasnt anything fancy , came from Napa , has given me good service , and some
of the roads around here will shake the fillings from your teeth.
Chris
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> RJ. The Caravel models were sometimes the "doesn't make good sense" models.
> Left over parts, crazy installations, are just some of them. If the shocks
> are mounted about 30 degrees horizontally, then you must use the horizontal
> shocks. A 65 Caravel should have had the shocks mounted horizontally.
> However, if yours are mounted vertically, then I don't know what shock
> Airstream may have put on it.
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Message Number: 36
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:11:21 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Repair in Houston
That's the one. Thanks.
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Message Number: 37
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:19:19 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacing Shocks / Balancing Wheels
Ted. I do not know the original Delco vertical shock number. But there should
be several, I would think, that would fit. Certainly, something more than
12,000 miles worth. Andy
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