VACList-Digest Tuesday, March 5, 2002 Issue 231
Today's Topics:
1. Re: '61 Overlander Windows & Hardware
2. Fabric Swatches
3. Re: Spare Tire Holder
4. Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
5. Small Calif Trailer for sale
6. Re: Spare Tire Holder
7. Re: '61 Overlander Windows & Hardware
8. Re: '61 Overlander Windows
9. Re: Small Calif Trailer for sale
10. Off to a rally
11. WBCCI numbers and shadows
12. Zolatone and Hardwood floors
13. Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
14. Re: Hardwood floors
15. Re: '61 Overlander Windows
16. Re: Small Calif Trailer for sale
17. Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
18. Re: e: Small Calif Trailer for sale
19. Prodigy brake controller installation - a BREEZE
20. Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
21. Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
22. Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
23. Re: Zolatone and Hardwood floors
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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:36:32 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '61 Overlander Windows & Hardware
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Is the flat glass on an A/S special or can a regular glass shop replace it?
Jason,
A number of the windows on my '58 Overlander are broken, several others
have been replaced with plexiglass that is deteriorating from exposure
to the elements. I'm contemplating replacing all of the bad
glass/plexiglass with a product called Hyzod polycarbonate glazing
sheet, which is stronger than plate glass or acrylic and is resilient to
high wind, rocks, hail, and burglary. We plan on using Hyzod SR
Solarshield which provides extended UV protection, there's also an AR
variety that is hard coated for even more protection. If this is an
option for you, or anyone else reading this, check the Plastics section
of the yellow pages, or online. I found Laird Plastics in the Phoenix
Yellow Pages which offers an online PDF catalog. It will give you a good
idea of what's available. Their web site is at
http://www.lairdplastics.com/, and they have physical locations
throughout the country. I'm not affiliated with them, just found their
catalog very useful while trying to decide what to use for replacement
glazing.
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Ted Byrd
1958 Overlander
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:11:26 -0500
From: "John Truitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fabric Swatches
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Ah, the time has come to replace the fabric (and foam) for the cushions in
my '63 globetrotter. I have the sofa and a dinette.
Does anyone have a book of fabric samples from this time period?
Thank you -
john
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 02 20:39:18 -0700
From: Roy Lashway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Spare Tire Holder
>I would highly discourage you from placing the spare on the rear of the
>trailer. A trailer that small may become unbalanced by adding extra weight
>at the very rear of the trailer.
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A rear spare location is potentially possible but you need to determine
the tongue weight of your trailer, which should be about 15% of the
trailer weight. The weight of spare plus metal to strengthen your rear
trailer bumber of attachement point will probably be near 100lbs. You
need to have the weight to loose up front. You could add some additional
weight up front if necessary. My 16ft had the forward half of the frame
doubled to strengthen frame for a generator by original owner. Thus I
found after weighing the trailer I needed to loose at least a 100 lbs of
hitch weight so it worked out pretty well for me.
Roy Lashway
'78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
WBCCI 1610 VAC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway
(polishing report included)
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:53:22 -0800
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
Scott - n - Andy
I`ll be looking soon at the main bow on a 22` coach with a jalousie window
that's been there and back again . I don't see any metal fatigue outside - let
ya know what i find inside . Should I find problems ...what's the 2000 $ fix ,
Andy ? And are there other problems to look for specific to 22` trailers ?
Thanks ,
Chris Elliott - like I did`nt have troubles enough ...!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Scott. The fatigue cracking happened mostly on the 22 foot coaches. However,
> if yours has the problem, you will see cracks in the sheetmetal, at the tops
> of each jalousie window. Andy
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:41:02 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Small Calif Trailer for sale
Those of you in California looking for a shorter trailer, my sister phoned
and said that there is a 1965 to 1968 17' Caravel in North Sacramento for
$1000 OBO. She said the condition is original but rough condition, and
seems to be complete. Definitely not a drive away and use kind of deal,
this will take some restoration time and $$.
No other details. Phone number is 916-765-9197.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:44:53 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Spare Tire Holder
On these older pipeframe trailers, there is no place to mount a spare tire
anyway. All there is in back is a 4" pipe under the center of the trailer.
Sometimes they don't even support their own weight :>)
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
>
>> I would highly discourage you from placing the spare on the rear of the
>> trailer. A trailer that small may become unbalanced by adding extra weight
>> at the very rear of the trailer.
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:55:06 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '61 Overlander Windows & Hardware
Sounds like a competitor to GE Lexan which is good stuff for trailer
windows and window protectors. Its also formable cold with sheet metal
bending equipment. Including rolls for rock shields of modern front
corner windows.
Gerald J.
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Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson. Reproduction by
permission only.
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 06:36:20 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: '61 Overlander Windows
Andy,
The trailer in question is a 26' tandem axle, am I to assume it wouldn't be prone to
the failure you mentioned? The windows are intact, just appear jammed or something, I
am getting ready to ask if the unit is for sale.
Next question, is the window opening a standard size that I could convert to a
non-jealousy type from a different year?
Thanks,
Jason
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 07:51:24 -0800
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Small Calif Trailer for sale
There`s a Curtis Wright on ebay , no pics and ending tonight . 22` 1948
#1808608313 Located calif , no one I know , no idea what shape its in , just
thought someone might be interested
Chris
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:11:34 -0500
From: Jim Bounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Off to a rally
I've been very busy trying to keep all fronts of my shop running but will
be taking the 63 Tradewind behind my 76' GMC motorhome to a rally this week.
It is the 25th anniversary of the Sunshine Statesmen being with FMCA. They
will present a plaque and the FMCA prez. will be there to join the fun.
I hope to show off my Tradewind and show the GMC folks what an Airstream is
all about. We have over 150 registrations at this point, looks like it
will really be a great get together. This will be held at Rock Crusher
Canyon near Crystal River Florida, Thurs., Fri., & Saturday of this
week. If anyone is in that area, please come by and check out the fun. It
is free to stop by.
I will be in the vendor area, so stop by
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:48:29 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WBCCI numbers and shadows
I have a question about one of the most sacred of all Airstream institutions, but here
goes...
Our '71 Sovereign has never had WBCCI numbers, and we have not yet put our new numbers
on the trailer (we joined a couple of months ago). We're rather picky about the
trailer's appearance and are concerned about the shadows caused by the numbers in case
Thanks in advance,
Molly
1971 Sovereign
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:46:50 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Zolatone and Hardwood floors
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Two items I'm wondering about. Has anyone ever applied a fresh Zolatone =
paint job <b>over</b> a well prepared but previously painted wall =
(previously painted with interior latex house paint. Zolatone hints that =
it's possible, but I'm not sure. I also have no desire to completely =
strip my interior walls.
Secondly, it's time for me to decide on a floor covering. My wife says =
no carpeting, she'd prefer an inexpensive parquet hardwood floor, =
generally available at Home Depot. Since the trailer is gutted, =
re-installing the bulkheads after taking a little trim at the bottom is =
no problem. But is hardwood a good day-to-day, practical surface?
Your thoughts are appreciated.
Phil Renner
63 Overlander
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:48:33 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
Chris. The $2000.00 price fix, or there abouts, includes replacing part of
the main bow, removing the sheet metal forward of the door, removing
(forever) the jalousie window, adding horizontal stringers, replacing some
sheet metal, inside and out, replacing the window with a later style small or
medium curved window, that opens, sealing as necessary and plasticoating the
new exterior material, and painting, best possible, the new interior metal.
Also as much as possible, buck riveting is used, instead of Olympic rivets.
Andy
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Message Number: 14
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:07:53 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hardwood floors
Phil -
Flooring depends on application as so much does in life as a trailerite. Not
having carpeting is a great idea as trailers get tracked in dirt so quickly
despite the best prevention. A small kitchen broom is all I need to clean up
fast. I do have carpet runners which come out for old fashioned beating, and
thus save the space otherwise occupied with a vacuum.
I went with an inexpensive but good looking self adhesive vinyl tile for two
reasons. The profile was identical in depth as the original 1966 linoleum, so
resizing wood work was not an issue, it was very fast and easy to do. AND as
it gets banged up individual tiles are easily removed with a heat gun and new
tiles quickly replaced. At about $1 to $1.50 a tile I can afford to be quite
vain about my floor. Thus each spring I plan to place a couple new pieces in
high traffic areas. I have a light hardwood parquet pattern which looks good,
and cleans easy. At campgrounds and fairgrounds floors get messy quick!
Alex In Indiana
66 Safari & Overlander
WBCCI 8728
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:48:20 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: '61 Overlander Windows
Hi Jason. No the window is not standard size. It does not match any of the
opening windows that Airstream has. If you replace it, some sheet metal work
will be required. Andy
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Message Number: 16
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:37:07 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Small Calif Trailer for sale
Chris. That Curtis Wright coach is at our facility. Has new tires, on split
rims. Needs considerable sheet metal work. Has rotten floor. Some windows are
broken. Inside is almost gutted and is rough. Ebay says it's towable? I doubt
it. It came to us on a flatbed. Owner backed out of a restoration project.
Andy
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Message Number: 17
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:01:46 -0800
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
Andy and whom ever else -
Holy guacomoli , thats a lot of work for 2000 frogskins . Lets just hope that it
only happened to the trailers with the horizontal shocks and that had drums that
were really out of balance !
Was it mostly on the 22` with the really wide jalousie window , or was it the
narrower ones too? Never having seen the bows on the wider window model (mine is
narrow ), did they cut into the bow to make the window fit , without providing a
header to transfer the stress laterally ?
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Chris. The $2000.00 price fix, or there abouts, includes replacing part of
> the main bow, removing the sheet metal forward of the door, removing
> (forever) the jalousie window, adding horizontal stringers, replacing some
> sheet metal, inside and out, replacing the window with a later style small or
> medium curved window, that opens, sealing as necessary and plasticoating the
> new exterior material, and painting, best possible, the new interior metal.
> Also as much as possible, buck riveting is used, instead of Olympic rivets.
> Andy
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Message Number: 18
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:26:40 -0800
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: e: Small Calif Trailer for sale
Andy
Thought it was at your place when I saw it was in Corona . Too far away for me
to bid on ( like I need another project trailer !!! , if I buy another one I `m
going to have myself voluntarily commited , or put rubber walls in my trailer and
sew longer sleeves on my jumpsuit so I can tie them together) but I thought
someone out there might want it , it would be a cool one if someone had the time
and $ .
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Chris. That Curtis Wright coach is at our facility. Has new tires, on split
> rims. Needs considerable sheet metal work. Has rotten floor. Some windows are
> broken. Inside is almost gutted and is rough. Ebay says it's towable? I doubt
> it. It came to us on a flatbed. Owner backed out of a restoration project.
> Andy
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:17:03 -0800
From: "Carol and Oliver Filippi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Prodigy brake controller installation - a BREEZE
I recently purchased a new Chevy pickup for my tow vehicle and decided to
try the new Tekonsha Prodigy electronic brake controller. It was highly
recommended by several local sources.
Apparently the unit uses a different inertial sensor (from the pendulum) and
hence does not have to be set at a critical angle, will work going up and
down hills, and while backing up.
I'll update the list with my observations as to how well this controller
works in practice, after I have a few trips behind me.
Anyway, the reason for this post is to announce my elation with how easy it
was to install.
The controller has a plug in receptacle at the rear, and comes with a wiring
pigtail which mates with the controller. Ordinarily, one would attach these
loose wires to the appropriate vehicle wires.
However, the good news (long overdue) is that Tekonsha makes (and sells) pre
wired connector cables which plug into the tow vehicle's factory wiring
panel (at one end) and the brake controller on the other. No cutting,
soldering or probing with a volt meter to find the right wires to connect
to. Simply plug it in.
The caveat is that the vehicle must include the factory installed heavy duty
towing option (which contains the seven wire harness to the rear trailer
connector and the internal wiring to an electrical panel under the
dashboard) This panel has a socket which accepts the Tekonsha brake
controller jumper cable harness. It also accepts the pigtail and connector
which comes with the vehicle, but why bother?
Tekonsha makes connector cables for Ford, Chrysler and General Motors
vehicles equipped with the heavy duty towing option. The special cable
makes the installation very neat, clean, and fast (and almost idiot proof).
Offering the cable, and putting a receptacle on the brake controller was a
real stroke of genius.
Now I only hope that the brake controller functions as well.
Oliver Filippi
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Message Number: 20
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:48:26 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
The bows were not cut. The cracking happened on all of the jalousie windows
in the 22 foot models forward of the door. Andy
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Message Number: 21
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:48:39 -0500
From: Garnett Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
>The bows were not cut. The cracking happened on all of the jalousie windows
>in the 22 foot models forward of the door. Andy
FWIW, the forward jalousie windows in my 22' Caravanner have not cracked
in 42 years. Must have escaped the fatigue gremlin :-)
Garnett
60 Caravanner
WDCU OBX Rally, Aug. 15-18
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Message Number: 22
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:08:01 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: jalousie Windows and metal fatigue
It's not the windows that cracked, it's the sheet metal at the top of the
windows that cracked. I will post a picture in the near future. Andy
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Message Number: 23
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:18:41 -0500
From: Matt Worner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zolatone and Hardwood floors
Phil,
One of the hardest hardwoods out there is bamboo. Did an internet
search for "bamboo flooring" and saw some really gorgeous stuff. Price
was about $5.00/sq ft (pre finished) which is comparable to most other
stuff. Comes in 3/8" thick so things should need minor shaving rather
than major trimming. YMMV
Matt
Phil Renner wrote:
> <SNIP>
> Secondly, it's time for me to decide on a floor covering. My wife says
> no carpeting, she'd prefer an inexpensive parquet hardwood floor,
> generally available at Home Depot. Since the trailer is gutted,
> re-installing the bulkheads after taking a little trim at the bottom
> is no problem. But is hardwood a good day-to-day, practical
> surface? Your thoughts are appreciated. Phil Renner63 Overlander
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign, (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (Bun Metallica)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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