On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Brian Bouterse wrote:

Within the world of apache nothing. Do all acronyms drip with meaning in Apache or do some just pick a few letters?

You're being coy with me. It's obvious that the meaning of VCL is the same as what NCSU uses.

There hasn't been a lot of discussion on this topic, yet it needs resolution. When does this get put to vote?

You will not get my binding vote. I suspect you may have difficulty getting other binding votes when you try to push this issue through in this manner.



Brian Bouterse
Secure Open Systems Initiative

On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

What does VCL stand for then?


On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Brian Bouterse wrote:

I wanted to revisit this thread, because no conclusion was reached. The current status is that after much discussion on the list, no name changes were proposed, or ratified.

There are ASF naming guidelines located here. Personally, I interpret this as a non-issue because the NCSU service is called the "Virtual Computing Lab," and the ASF project name is "VCL" which is not the same.

What do you think?

my 2 cents,

Brian Bouterse
Secure Open Systems Initiative

On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:

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Maybe we should look at this from a different angle - is there anything that
*can* happen for the name to continue as "VCL" at ASF?


On Tuesday January 06, 2009, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
Thanks for your comments Matt.

Well, it's after the holidays.  Time to pick this thread back up.
This issue needs to be resolved before we graduate.


On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

Thanks for starting the discussion about this. I think there are a
few different issues so I'll try to separate them.  The issues we
need to address is the trademark of VCL and the other is the
identity of the community.  Perhaps we should talk about these in
reverse order.

First is the identity  of the community.  The move of the
development for the VCL codebase from NC State to Apache marked the
formation of a community outside of NC State.  So, what NC State
decides to do or not to do is not particularly relevant to the
community collaborating at Apache. Given this separation, perhaps a
different name is appropriate so their is a clear distinction
between NC State's use of VCL and the Apache Incubator's community.

As far as the name goes. Since Virtualization and hosting is, well,
virtual, perhaps a name like spectre or Casper would be good :)
(ya, I already can see the naming police coming).

On Dec 19, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Henry E Schaffer wrote:
Alan writes:
If VCL is a trademark owned by NCSU then they would have to assign
trademark to the ASF or we would have to change our project's name.

OK - I think we've reached a very clear question to be resolved. I
think here's what needs to be resolved (at least in my mind):

If VCL is a trademark owned by NCSU, and If NCSU assigns the
to the ASF - then would ASF give NCSU permission to continue its web
site as is (possibly with an acknowledgement to the ASF)?

Alternatively: If VCL is a trademark owned by NCSU, and If NCSU
doesn't assign the ownership to the ASF, but gives permission to
ASF to use
"VCL" as part of naming this ASF project - could, and would the ASF
"AVCL" ("Apache VCL") as the name? (Or some other formulation which would be an Apache name but clearly portray to users and potential
that it's the same project.)

Does the above make sense?
--henry schaffer

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North Carolina State University


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