For what it's worth, I like Josh's idea for several reasons: - production ncsu service runs from the apache code - its a great way for ncsu to help promote the apache project - it helps maintain the community that has been building over the years - appears to me (a newbee) to support the apache naming policy
John Bass [email protected] www.cnl.ncsu.edu (919) 515-0154 On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Josh Thompson <[email protected]>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > But what does it mean to "stop using theirs"? Does it mean the letters > "VCL" > cannot appear anywhere at their site? (I feel really weird saying "their" > since I'm employed at NCSU, but I'll try to stick to saying this with my > ASF > hat on). > > I feel really strongly that we (ASF) should continue using VCL as the name > for > the project because that's what it has been know as for the last 5 years. > So, I want to work toward figuring out what NCSU must do to allow that to > happen. If everything at NCSU gets changed to "Apache VCL at NCSU", would > that work? The goal of moving VCL from NCSU to ASF is to allow more people > to get involved in development of it, and thus have it used at more places. > So, it would make sense to me for multiple places to be able to call their > install of it "Apache VCL at <insert institution name here>". > > Josh > > On Thursday February 19, 2009, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > As Matt pointed out there needs to be a distinction between this ASF > > project and its original progenitor, NCSU VCL. It's quite simple, > > either we change our name or they stop using theirs. > > > > > > Regards, > > Alan > > > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Josh Thompson wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Maybe we should look at this from a different angle - is there > > > anything that > > > *can* happen for the name to continue as "VCL" at ASF? > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > On Tuesday January 06, 2009, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > >> Thanks for your comments Matt. > > >> > > >> Well, it's after the holidays. Time to pick this thread back up. > > >> This issue needs to be resolved before we graduate. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Alan > > >> > > >> On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > >>> Alan, > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for starting the discussion about this. I think there are a > > >>> few different issues so I'll try to separate them. The issues we > > >>> need to address is the trademark of VCL and the other is the > > >>> identity of the community. Perhaps we should talk about these in > > >>> reverse order. > > >>> > > >>> First is the identity of the community. The move of the > > >>> development for the VCL codebase from NC State to Apache marked the > > >>> formation of a community outside of NC State. So, what NC State > > >>> decides to do or not to do is not particularly relevant to the > > >>> community collaborating at Apache. Given this separation, perhaps a > > >>> different name is appropriate so their is a clear distinction > > >>> between NC State's use of VCL and the Apache Incubator's community. > > >>> > > >>> As far as the name goes. Since Virtualization and hosting is, well, > > >>> virtual, perhaps a name like spectre or Casper would be good :) > > >>> (ya, I already can see the naming police coming). > > >>> > > >>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Henry E Schaffer wrote: > > >>>> Alan writes: > > >>>>> ... > > >>>>> If VCL is a trademark owned by NCSU then they would have to assign > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> trademark to the ASF or we would have to change our project's > > >>>>> name. > > >>>> > > >>>> OK - I think we've reached a very clear question to be resolved. I > > >>>> think here's what needs to be resolved (at least in my mind): > > >>>> > > >>>> If VCL is a trademark owned by NCSU, and If NCSU assigns the > > >>>> ownership > > >>>> to the ASF - then would ASF give NCSU permission to continue its > > >>>> web > > >>>> site as is (possibly with an acknowledgement to the ASF)? > > >>>> > > >>>> Alternatively: If VCL is a trademark owned by NCSU, and If NCSU > > >>>> doesn't assign the ownership to the ASF, but gives permission to > > >>>> ASF to use > > >>>> "VCL" as part of naming this ASF project - could, and would the ASF > > >>>> use > > >>>> "AVCL" ("Apache VCL") as the name? (Or some other formulation > > >>>> which > > >>>> would be an Apache name but clearly portray to users and potential > > >>>> users > > >>>> that it's the same project.) > > >>>> > > >>>> Does the above make sense? > > >>>> -- > > >>>> --henry schaffer > > > > > > - -- > > > - ------------------------------- > > > Josh Thompson > > > Systems Programmer > > > Virtual Computing Lab (VCL) > > > North Carolina State University > > > > > > [email protected] > > > 919-515-5323 > > > > > > my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFJY4RhV/LQcNdtPQMRAtNJAJ9CViggEk5XIPl5DH/Q+cL2JerOoQCbBHsv > > > O7WjXdHQWfQ6B3uUTkTr9+g= > > > =iwnz > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > - -- > - ------------------------------- > Josh Thompson > Systems Programmer > Virtual Computing Lab (VCL) > North Carolina State University > > [email protected] > 919-515-5323 > > my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFJnX/rV/LQcNdtPQMRAi37AJ9rlm1xO0s76LkhA0XbvU5XCQkEeACfQ1Zg > 08/+XKmuBe0HDLfJDogNMKc= > =NPtg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >
