Hey Raul, I was a bit surprised by your reply since I clearly did state that not only do I not crash my springboard as was described, but I also wouldn't be inclined to recommend it (and it isn't a reset). However, I do think it's important for people to understand how resets work on their devices. Basically, if Apple set up the last-resort HOME+POWER for ten seconds reset to attempt to save your data and properly shut down the unit, then if your unit ever froze or was unresponsive, you would never be able to get it working again because there would be no reset that you could perform! To test this, get VoiceOver to begin reading a long passage of text, or else start playing some tunes, and then hold down the two keys. Absolutely nothing will happen for several seconds (hint: a built-in intentional delay) but very suddenly, everything will be silent as though the power were just cut to your device, and it will then go through the process of rebooting.
It would be great if someone else could jump in and coroborate what I'm saying, but in any case I think it's great information to know. Anyways, here's one thing we all can agree on: your taglines are great! Grant On 5/31/12, Raul A. Gallegos <[email protected]> wrote: > Grant, thanks for your informative message. I think we will just have to > agree to disagree rather than continuing to offer differing views. If I > cared more, I'd call Apple myself and/or go to an Apple store and do > more Internet searching, but I don't really other than just to say that > if I do have to reset my phone, I will do it in the way that I'm > comfortable with, just as you will with yours. > > Cheers. > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Needing someone is like needing a parachute. If he isn't there the first > time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again! ~ Anonymous > Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com > Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 > Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 > > On 5/31/2012 6:41 AM, Grant Hardy wrote: >> Hey Raul, I think this will be the last time I chime in on this >> subject, but I'm afraid that's not correct - holding down power and >> home for ten to twelve seconds is a forcible reset and doesn't >> properly shut down anything. Think about it. If it did, then if there >> ever were a software flaw that prevented the phone from being shut >> down properly, this reset, intended for these very cases, would not >> work! The reason there is a delay is as a safety mechanism, so that >> you don't do the reset inadvertently. That does not mean it is >> shutting down/rebooting the phone officially. I assure you that it is >> not. >> >> I agree - pressing POWER five times to crash the springboard is not >> something I'd necessarily want to encourage. But at the same time, >> crashing your springboard will _not_ corrupt the internal workings of >> the phone - the springboard is simply a system service for launching >> apps. >> >> Again, a lot of the people offering the point of view opposite to mine >> do not really understand how things such as the forcible reset >> actually work. >> >> Grant >> >> On 5/31/12, Raul A. Gallegos<[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi all, I feel that what David and Neil have stated are more correct for >>> what it's worth. I personally have not looked up or researched whether >>> or not it's a good idea to force a reboot via the power button being >>> pressed multiple times, but on the surface it just seems silly and not >>> safe to me. At least when you do the power button/home button for 12 >>> seconds, it's giving the iOS system a chance to try and do what it can >>> so that files and data are not being accessed while the phone is forced >>> to reboot. This is why it's probably a several second process. >>> Additionally, it could be that it's on purpose so you don't accidentally >>> reboot your phone without meaning to. >>> >>> Lastly, folks, please update the subject lines.<smile> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos >>> Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. - >>> George Bush >>> Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 >>> >>> On 5/31/2012 6:10 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >>>> Hello Grant, >>>> >>>> My friend is some sort of developer. You can argue for crashing the >>>> springboard all you want saying it will not corrupt any code. My friend >>>> says there is a very slight chance that it could corrupt code. I prefer >>>> not to take that chance. I have corrupted code in a pocket pc which >>>> then >>>> required me to do a complete rebuild from my computer. As this takes >>>> time >>>> which I prefer not to spend in such fashion, I choose not to take the >>>> chance. >>>> >>>> An Apple support person is the one who told me that the home and power >>>> buttons simultaneously for 10 to 12 seconds reboots the phone and >>>> properly >>>> restores the driver stacks. From my timing of both restarts, the reboot >>>> takes longer for booting up than the power cycling for booting up. >>>> >>>> To be precise, the higher level support specialist told me to first >>>> turn >>>> the iPhone off then on, and once it has come fully on, do the reboot. >>>> >>>> Sorry, but I trust both of these people over what you are saying on the >>>> list. My developer friend is a software engineer. The Apple tech >>>> support >>>> person was in the higher tier of support. >>>> >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 31/05/2012, at 19:28, Grant Hardy<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Neil, the twelve-second holding down of HOME and POWER is a forced >>>>> reboot, rather like pressing the REBOOT button on a PC. If system >>>>> corruption could occur on an iPhone using the other method (which as >>>>> I've said I'm skeptical about), then it most certainly could occur >>>>> with the reboot method as well, which does not shut anything down. >>>>> >>>>> Crashing your springboard is not "a forced collapsing" of the iOS >>>>> platform; the springboard is one part of the iOS architecture. It's >>>>> the part of iOS from which apps are launched. It does not store any >>>>> critical user data. >>>>> >>>>> I think there are a fair few misconceptions about this topic on list. >>>>> I don't mean to be argumentative but it is important that people >>>>> understand them, and that if you have a theory (such as that data >>>>> corruption could occur) that you make clear that it is just that--a >>>>> theory. People who are stating this theory have relatively little >>>>> technical data to back it up--case and point, the "forced collapsing >>>>> of the iOS system" statement, which this is not. >>>>> >>>>> Warmly :) >>>>> >>>>> Grant >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/31/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Adrian, >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree very much with David's suggestions, the stuttering of Voice >>>>>> Over >>>>>> is >>>>>> a classic symptom of an over full App Switcher and / or a handset >>>>>> which >>>>>> is >>>>>> rarely power cycled. >>>>>> >>>>>> My strong recommendation for all iOS users, is to empty their App >>>>>> Switcher >>>>>> daily and perform a power cycle immediately there after. >>>>>> >>>>>> This has kept my iPhone and iPad running smoothly ever since the >>>>>> first >>>>>> stuttering symptoms appeared. >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition, as a system admin I also hold to David's assertion that >>>>>> there >>>>>> is a possible chance of corruption by performing the forced >>>>>> collapsing >>>>>> of >>>>>> the iOS platform resulting from the 5 successive presses of the power >>>>>> key. >>>>>> >>>>>> The iOS device at this time is not expecting this crash and as a >>>>>> result >>>>>> maybe accessing a key string of code, or a significant part of your >>>>>> user >>>>>> data. If this happened at the exact moment you performed the 5 >>>>>> successive >>>>>> presses of the power key, it is conceivable that it might corrupt >>>>>> data. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 12 second or however long it is, press of power and home at the >>>>>> same >>>>>> time, is far more logical and sensible. As it is coded into the iOS >>>>>> as >>>>>> a >>>>>> sort of… I want to reboot this device, prepare for it please and stop >>>>>> doing >>>>>> anything critical notification to the device. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>>> >>>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>>> >>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>>>>> Apple >>>>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>>>> >>>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>>>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>>>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 May 2012, at 23:17, adrian wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> is it normal for voice over to stutter a lot? every time i read >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> voice over i find it stutters a lot. does any one know of a way i >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> fix >>>>>>> it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> "VIPhone" >>>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>> Google >>>>>> Group. >>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google >>> Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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