Hey Raul, I think this will be the last time I chime in on this subject, but I'm afraid that's not correct - holding down power and home for ten to twelve seconds is a forcible reset and doesn't properly shut down anything. Think about it. If it did, then if there ever were a software flaw that prevented the phone from being shut down properly, this reset, intended for these very cases, would not work! The reason there is a delay is as a safety mechanism, so that you don't do the reset inadvertently. That does not mean it is shutting down/rebooting the phone officially. I assure you that it is not.
I agree - pressing POWER five times to crash the springboard is not something I'd necessarily want to encourage. But at the same time, crashing your springboard will _not_ corrupt the internal workings of the phone - the springboard is simply a system service for launching apps. Again, a lot of the people offering the point of view opposite to mine do not really understand how things such as the forcible reset actually work. Grant On 5/31/12, Raul A. Gallegos <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, I feel that what David and Neil have stated are more correct for > what it's worth. I personally have not looked up or researched whether > or not it's a good idea to force a reboot via the power button being > pressed multiple times, but on the surface it just seems silly and not > safe to me. At least when you do the power button/home button for 12 > seconds, it's giving the iOS system a chance to try and do what it can > so that files and data are not being accessed while the phone is forced > to reboot. This is why it's probably a several second process. > Additionally, it could be that it's on purpose so you don't accidentally > reboot your phone without meaning to. > > Lastly, folks, please update the subject lines. <smile> > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. - > George Bush > Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com > Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 > Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 > > On 5/31/2012 6:10 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >> Hello Grant, >> >> My friend is some sort of developer. You can argue for crashing the >> springboard all you want saying it will not corrupt any code. My friend >> says there is a very slight chance that it could corrupt code. I prefer >> not to take that chance. I have corrupted code in a pocket pc which then >> required me to do a complete rebuild from my computer. As this takes time >> which I prefer not to spend in such fashion, I choose not to take the >> chance. >> >> An Apple support person is the one who told me that the home and power >> buttons simultaneously for 10 to 12 seconds reboots the phone and properly >> restores the driver stacks. From my timing of both restarts, the reboot >> takes longer for booting up than the power cycling for booting up. >> >> To be precise, the higher level support specialist told me to first turn >> the iPhone off then on, and once it has come fully on, do the reboot. >> >> Sorry, but I trust both of these people over what you are saying on the >> list. My developer friend is a software engineer. The Apple tech support >> person was in the higher tier of support. >> >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: [email protected] >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 31/05/2012, at 19:28, Grant Hardy<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Neil, the twelve-second holding down of HOME and POWER is a forced >>> reboot, rather like pressing the REBOOT button on a PC. If system >>> corruption could occur on an iPhone using the other method (which as >>> I've said I'm skeptical about), then it most certainly could occur >>> with the reboot method as well, which does not shut anything down. >>> >>> Crashing your springboard is not "a forced collapsing" of the iOS >>> platform; the springboard is one part of the iOS architecture. It's >>> the part of iOS from which apps are launched. It does not store any >>> critical user data. >>> >>> I think there are a fair few misconceptions about this topic on list. >>> I don't mean to be argumentative but it is important that people >>> understand them, and that if you have a theory (such as that data >>> corruption could occur) that you make clear that it is just that--a >>> theory. People who are stating this theory have relatively little >>> technical data to back it up--case and point, the "forced collapsing >>> of the iOS system" statement, which this is not. >>> >>> Warmly :) >>> >>> Grant >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/31/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Adrian, >>>> >>>> I agree very much with David's suggestions, the stuttering of Voice Over >>>> is >>>> a classic symptom of an over full App Switcher and / or a handset which >>>> is >>>> rarely power cycled. >>>> >>>> My strong recommendation for all iOS users, is to empty their App >>>> Switcher >>>> daily and perform a power cycle immediately there after. >>>> >>>> This has kept my iPhone and iPad running smoothly ever since the first >>>> stuttering symptoms appeared. >>>> >>>> In addition, as a system admin I also hold to David's assertion that >>>> there >>>> is a possible chance of corruption by performing the forced collapsing >>>> of >>>> the iOS platform resulting from the 5 successive presses of the power >>>> key. >>>> >>>> The iOS device at this time is not expecting this crash and as a result >>>> maybe accessing a key string of code, or a significant part of your >>>> user >>>> data. If this happened at the exact moment you performed the 5 >>>> successive >>>> presses of the power key, it is conceivable that it might corrupt data. >>>> >>>> The 12 second or however long it is, press of power and home at the >>>> same >>>> time, is far more logical and sensible. As it is coded into the iOS as >>>> a >>>> sort of… I want to reboot this device, prepare for it please and stop >>>> doing >>>> anything critical notification to the device. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>>> Apple >>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. 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