Hi, I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well spokenly than me. Thanks for that. /Krister
> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt <[email protected]>: > > Everyone, > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last > year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number > were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone > across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with > iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the > buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are > bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have > been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with. > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, > look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it > is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one > else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen > reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream > software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for > the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the > software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing. > > Wayne > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will >> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target >> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do >> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on >> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything. >> >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't >> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9, >> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so >> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to >> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list >> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use >> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user >> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are. >> >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go >> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has >> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism >> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community. >> >> >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as >>> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably will >>> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been >>> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the >>> fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s too little or too much of >>> everything. I’m the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see >>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s >>> perfect. As i said before i think it’s strange that Apple gets so many >>> complaints about things that aren’t even their fault like apps that are >>> not upgraded and so don’t work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn’t >>> anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that ”freedom scientific >>> or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don’t give a fig about us”. So >>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is ever >>> bug free. Should we report them? >> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the problem >> but i wonder if that’s the case when i hear the tone here and on other >> forums where blind folks and Apple are the common denominator. >>> >>> /Krister >>> >>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, is that >>>> with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, reporting a >>>> problem, >>>> regardless of how important it may appear to be to the tester, is not >>>> always >>>> addressed immediately or, in some cases, ever. >>>> >>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, the >>>> less >>>> responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical problems, it may >>>> appear to be to external testers. >>>> >>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware of the >>>> problems and hope that it will manage to address said problems in a >>>> future >>>> release. >>>> >>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, when >>>> bugs >>>> get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares how or why they >>>> were >>>> resolved and when bugs remain, people think that the testers are not >>>> testing >>>> well enough. >>>> >>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my way of >>>> showing appreciation for those things in life which I may now take for >>>> granted; things like clean drinking water, electricity, personal >>>> liberties, >>>> talking ATM machines, audio-described movies, screen readers, >>>> refreshable >>>> Braille displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. >>>> >>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind and >>>> low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by which I may, >>>> in >>>> some small part, leave a legacy to those who will follow. >>>> >>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try to keep >>>> in >>>> mind that were it not for beta testers, that number would most likely be >>>> much higher. >>>> >>>> Most Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain at Gmail >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> [email protected] >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Follow me on Twitter at: > www.twitter.com/wcmerritt > My website: > www.wayneism.com > My book list: > www.wayneism.com/books.php > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. 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