Yes, I'm still experiencing this problem, and did throughout the IOS 9.1
betas. I did a restore on my iPhone 4S when I upgraded to IOS 9.0, but
not since, which included the two updates to IOS 9.0, the betas of IOS
9.1 and now the released version of IOS 9.1. I'll try another restore
when I get some time, which may not be this weekend.
On 10/23/2015 11:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Christopher,
With iOS 9.1, do you still have the problem with Voiceover freezing up when a
headset is connected and you disconnect? This has completely disappeared for me
ever since iOS 9.1 Beta 4 or 5 I think and in the public release it is also
working great for me. I would say that iOS 9.1 now (October 23) is as good or
better than iOS 8.4 was which came out I believe in April or May, maybe even
June.
I'd really love to know if others who upgraded to 9.1 still experience the
issue with hanging up a call when the headset is connected. If so, I wonder
what a total wipe/restore and setting up as a new phone would do.
Regards,
Sieghard
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Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:30 AM
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Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never regretted
upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose VoiceOver when I answer
a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes when I reply to an email
message. I'm still getting by with the work arounds I've uncovered so far, but
I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend
the iPhone anymore to another blind person, at least not without letting them
know about these issues.
On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Hi,
I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well
spokenly than me.
Thanks for that.
/Krister
22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com>:
Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a
number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are
things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that the
focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live
with.
Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited
for the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
Wayne
On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that
will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers.
Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you
weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a
minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do
anything.
You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS
9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails
is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've
come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on
this list about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We
all don't use our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment
on another user because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to
go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom
Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't
see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness
community.
On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Hi,
Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what
we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and
probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even
if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection they
complain about the fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s
too little or too much of everything. I’m the type of guy who
upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there and
if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s perfect. As i said before i
think it’s strange that Apple gets so many complaints about things
that aren’t even their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so
don’t work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn’t anything
like this complaining. Nobody ever said that ”freedom scientific or
GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don’t give a fig about
us”. So are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is
ever bug free. Should we report them?
Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the
problem but i wonder if that’s the case when i hear the tone here
and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common denominator.
/Krister
22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>:
Hello Everyone,
I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know,
is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc,
reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may appear to
be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately or, in some
cases, ever.
It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes,
the less responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical
problems, it may appear to be to external testers.
All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware
of the problems and hope that it will manage to address said
problems in a future release.
In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because,
when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares how
or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, people think that
the testers are not testing well enough.
To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my
way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I may
now take for granted; things like clean drinking water,
electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines,
audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille
displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc.
Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind
and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by
which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to those who will
follow.
So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try
to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that number
would most likely be much higher.
Most Sincerely,
Mark
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