Thank you John and Anna. I appreciate the information. I think I will wait until I can get a phone with more memory on it as I only have an 8 gig 4S Connie
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing To be a publick beta tester go to beta.apple.com and sign up for the program. When this is done, on the phone, go to beta.apple.com/profile and install the profile app. You will need to restart the phone. When a beta is available, you will see it in the usual upgrade location. On 10/22/15, Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Connie, > > I joined the developer program a couple of years ago, which means a > yearly payment and access to the betas. There has been a public beta > program all year as well; I'm not sure how you sign up for it though. > > Best, > Anna > > > >> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Connie Mohney <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Anna, >> Just because I'm curious, what does someone have to do to become a >> beta tester? Do you have to have any certification or experience? Are >> you an apple employee? Thank you for answering my questions. >> Connie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner >> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >> >> >> hi, >> >> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple >> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the >> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the >> bugs they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer >> time period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as >> I think the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too >> tight for them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, >> most of the bugs this year affected fewer users than last year's >> bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, >> including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus issues. >> So I think they're doing reasonably well overall. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Everyone, >>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X >>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a >>> number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from >>> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. >>> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the >>> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There >>> are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that >>> the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I >>> can't live with. >>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I >>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the >>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a >>> thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know >>> what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many >>> bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, >>> JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely >>> used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some >>> degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs >>> before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that >>> next big thing. >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple >>>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that >>>> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. >>>> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you >>>> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a >>>> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do >>>> anything. >>>> >>>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that >>>> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but >>>> with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding >>>> to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two >>>> tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much >>>> judgment on this list about the impacts certain bugs have on >>>> different users. We all don't use our phones the same way, so we >>>> shouldn't pass judgment on another user because they're more impacted by a >>>> bug than we are. >>>> >>>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways >>>> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom >>>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't >>>> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the >>>> blindness community. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what >>>>> we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and >>>>> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even >>>>> if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection >>>>> they complain about the fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or >>>>> there’s too little or too much of everything. I’m the type of guy >>>>> who upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there >>>>> and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s perfect. As i said >>>>> before i think it’s strange that Apple gets so many complaints >>>>> about things that aren’t even their fault like apps that are not >>>>> upgraded and so don’t work or such. In my time on Windows there >>>>> wasn’t anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that >>>>> ”freedom scientific or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and >>>>> don’t give a fig about us”. So are there bugs? Of course there >>>>> probably are, no big chunk of code is ever bug free. Should we report >>>>> them? >>>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the >>>> problem but i wonder if that’s the case when i hear the tone here >>>> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common >>>> denominator. >>>>> >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, >>>>>> is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, >>>>>> reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may appear to >>>>>> be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately or, in some >>>>>> cases, ever. >>>>>> >>>>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization >>>>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission >>>>>> critical problems, it may appear to be to external testers. >>>>>> >>>>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware >>>>>> of the problems and hope that it will manage to address said >>>>>> problems in a future release. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, >>>>>> when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares >>>>>> how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, people think >>>>>> that the testers are not testing well enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my >>>>>> way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I may >>>>>> now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, >>>>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, >>>>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille >>>>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind >>>>>> and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by >>>>>> which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to those who will >>>>>> follow. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try >>>>>> to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that number >>>>>> would most likely be much higher. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>> VIPhone list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - 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