Hello Rajmund, I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rajmund Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing Hello, I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > hi, > > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't > get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of > feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have > fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC > in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current timeline is > incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But > Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users > than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was > released, including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus > issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall. > > Best, > Anna > > > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Everyone, > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a > > number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I > > can't live with. > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that > > next big thing. > > > > Wayne > > > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple > >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that > >> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. > >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you > >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a > >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do > >> anything. > >> > >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that > >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but > >> with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding > >> to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two > >> tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much > >> judgment on this list about the impacts certain bugs have on > >> different users. We all don't use our phones the same way, so we > >> shouldn't pass judgment on another user because they're more impacted by a > >> bug than we are. > >> > >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways > >> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom > >> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't > >> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness > >> community. > >> > >> > >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what > >>> we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and > >>> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even > >>> if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection > >>> they complain about the fixes. Either it's too bloody late or > >>> there's too little or too much of everything. I'm the type of guy > >>> who upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there > >>> and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's perfect. As i said > >>> before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many complaints > >>> about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are not > >>> upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there > >>> wasn't anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that > >>> "freedom scientific or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and > >>> don't give a fig about us". So are there bugs? Of course there probably > >>> are, no big chunk of code is ever bug free. Should we report them? > >> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the > >> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here > >> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common > >> denominator. > >>> > >>> /Krister > >>> > >>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: > >>>> > >>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, > >>>> is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, > >>>> reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may appear to > >>>> be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately or, in some > >>>> cases, ever. > >>>> > >>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization > >>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission > >>>> critical problems, it may appear to be to external testers. > >>>> > >>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware > >>>> of the problems and hope that it will manage to address said > >>>> problems in a future release. > >>>> > >>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, > >>>> when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares > >>>> how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, people think > >>>> that the testers are not testing well enough. > >>>> > >>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my > >>>> way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I may > >>>> now take for granted; 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