Hello, Just something. For the first time, ever, I unlocked my unit, and I noticed that it was silent. Then I remembered the time is no longer announced. I can't care less, but I found it strange at first. OK, not first time, but first time since the update.
----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > Everyone, > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last > year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number > were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone > across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with > iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the > buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are > bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have > been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with. > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, > look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it > is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one > else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen > reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream > software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for > the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the > software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing. > > Wayne > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > > Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple > > doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will > > be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target > > isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do > > something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on > > this list or in any community then you'd never do anything. > > > > You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't > > mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9, > > answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so > > bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to > > depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list > > about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use > > our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user > > because they're more impacted by a bug than we are. > > > > I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go > > before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has > > gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism > > for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community. > > > > > > On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as > >> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably will > >> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been > >> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the > >> fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of > >> everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see > >> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's > >> perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many > >> complaints about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are > >> not upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn't > >> anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific > >> or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So > >> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is ever > >> bug free. Should we report them? > > Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the problem > > but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here and on other > > forums where blind folks and Apple are the common denominator. > >> > >> /Krister > >> > >>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: > >>> > >>> Hello Everyone, > >>> > >>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, is that > >>> with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, reporting a > >>> problem, > >>> regardless of how important it may appear to be to the tester, is not > >>> always > >>> addressed immediately or, in some cases, ever. > >>> > >>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, the > >>> less > >>> responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical problems, it may > >>> appear to be to external testers. > >>> > >>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware of the > >>> problems and hope that it will manage to address said problems in a > >>> future > >>> release. > >>> > >>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, when > >>> bugs > >>> get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares how or why they > >>> were > >>> resolved and when bugs remain, people think that the testers are not > >>> testing > >>> well enough. > >>> > >>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my way of > >>> showing appreciation for those things in life which I may now take for > >>> granted; things like clean drinking water, electricity, personal > >>> liberties, > >>> talking ATM machines, audio-described movies, screen readers, > >>> refreshable > >>> Braille displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. > >>> > >>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind and > >>> low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by which I may, > >>> in > >>> some small part, leave a legacy to those who will follow. > >>> > >>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try to keep > >>> in > >>> mind that were it not for beta testers, that number would most likely be > >>> much higher. > >>> > >>> Most Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone > >>> list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>> > >>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> The archives for this list can be searched at > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "VIPhone" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >>> email to [email protected]. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > > > > -- > > Christopher (CJ) > > chaltain at Gmail > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > > [email protected] > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Follow me on Twitter at: > www.twitter.com/wcmerritt > My website: > www.wayneism.com > My book list: > www.wayneism.com/books.php > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 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