Ugh, tat bts. I do a lot of email on the iPhone, and being able to answer my phone is important to me, so I think I'll continue to hold off on updating to iOS 9 for now. I hope another update will fix these two issues. For me, they're the most important ones. I can handle my Braille display disconnecting after turning on airplane mode and not reconnecting when I turn on bluetooth, but while that doesn't bother me as much, I'm sure it would be absolutely intolerable for a person who's deaf-blind who uses airplane mode a lot.
Apple seems to have issues with bluetooth and phone calls. Thanks, Ari > On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well maybe it's because I'm using a iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, or maybe it's > because I have so many messages in my in box, but it takes more than a few > seconds for VoiceOver to come back for me. It's closer to 20 or 30 seconds. > As I said, this seriously impacts my productivity. > >> On 10/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Davert wrote: >> Hi Chris Chaltain. >> You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an >> email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will >> come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S, >> but I hope that may help. >> I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you >> are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing >> someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a >> disservice. >> >> Scott >> >> >>> On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly >>> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one >>> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in >>> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then >>> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights >>> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite >>> Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well >>> as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV >>> which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping >>> next Thursday. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Rajmund >>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>> >>> Hello Mark, >>> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the >>> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few >>> less, really. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: M. Taylor <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am >>> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rajmund, >>>> >>>> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just >>>> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Rajmund >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. >>>> But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm >>>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> hi, >>>>> >>>>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple >>>>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the >>>>> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs >>>>> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time >>>>> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think >>>>> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for >>>>> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs >>>>> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed >>>>> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like >>>>> answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing >>>>> reasonably well overall. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Anna >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone, >>>>>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X >>>>>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and >>>>>> a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from >>>>>> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. >>>>>> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the >>>>>> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There >>>>>> are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that >>>>>> the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I >>>>>> can't live with. >>>>>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I >>>>>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the >>>>>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a >>>>>> thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know >>>>>> what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many >>>>>> bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, >>>>>> JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely >>>>>> used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some >>>>>> degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs >>>>>> before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for >>>>>> that next big thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if >>>>>>> Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, >>>>>>> but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their >>>>>>> developers. >>>>>>> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you >>>>>>> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a >>>>>>> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never >>>>>>> do anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that >>>>>>> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, >>>>>>> but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and >>>>>>> responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually >>>>>>> unusable for two tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. >>>>>>> IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list about the impacts >>>>>>> certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use our phones >>>>>>> the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user because >>>>>>> they're more impacted by a bug than we are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways >>>>>>> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom >>>>>>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I >>>>>>> don't see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the >>>>>>> blindness community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter >>>>>>>> what we as beta testers might say? For every release there has >>>>>>>> been and probably will be a tsunami of negativity and >>>>>>>> complaining and even if what has been complained about would be >>>>>>>> fixed to perfection they complain about the fixes. Either it's >>>>>>>> too bloody late or there's too little or too much of everything. >>>>>>>> I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see >>>>>>>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, >>>>>>>> nobody's perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that >>>>>>>> Apple gets so many complaints about things that aren't even >>>>>>>> their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don't work or >>>>>>>> such. In my time on Windows there wasn't anything like this >>>>>>>> complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific or GW >>>>>>>> Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So >>>>>>>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code >>>>>>>> is ever bug free. Should we report them? >>>>>>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the >>>>>>> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here >>>>>>> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common >>>>>>> denominator. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, >>>>>>>>> know, is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, >>>>>>>>> etc, reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may >>>>>>>>> appear to be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately >>>>>>>>> or, in some cases, ever. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization >>>>>>>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing >>>>>>>>> non-mission critical problems, it may appear to be to external >>>>>>>>> testers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization >>>>>>>>> aware of the problems and hope that it will manage to address >>>>>>>>> said problems in a future release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job >>>>>>>>> because, when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them >>>>>>>>> or cares how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, >>>>>>>>> people think that the testers are not testing well enough. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is >>>>>>>>> my way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I >>>>>>>>> may now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, >>>>>>>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, >>>>>>>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille >>>>>>>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those >>>>>>>>> blind and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a >>>>>>>>> means by which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to >>>>>>>>> those who will follow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please >>>>>>>>> try to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that >>>>>>>>> number would most likely be much higher. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>> VIPhone list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - 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