Hello Rajmund,
I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
Mark
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
Hello,
I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either.
But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
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From: Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>
>
> hi,
>
> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the
> bugs
> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I
> think
> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the
> bugs
> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed
> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
> answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing
> reasonably well overall.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Everyone,
> > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
> > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
> > a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
> > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
> > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
> > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There
> > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that
> > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that
> > I
> > can't live with.
> > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
> > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
> > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a
> > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know
> > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many
> > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows,
> > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely
> > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some
> > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs
> > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for
> > that next big thing.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if
> >> Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed,
> >> but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their
> >> developers.
> >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you
> >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a
> >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd
> >> never
> >> do anything.
> >>
> >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that
> >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4,
> >> but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and
> >> responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually
> >> unusable for two tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for.
> >> IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list about the impacts
> >> certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use our phones
> >> the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user because
> >> they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
> >>
> >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways
> >> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom
> >> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I
> >> don't see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the
> >> blindness community.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter
> >>> what we as beta testers might say? For every release there has
> >>> been and probably will be a tsunami of negativity and
> >>> complaining and even if what has been complained about would be
> >>> fixed to perfection they complain about the fixes. Either it's
> >>> too bloody late or there's too little or too much of everything.
> >>> I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see
> >>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug,
> >>> nobody's perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that
> >>> Apple gets so many complaints about things that aren't even
> >>> their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don't work or
> >>> such. In my time on Windows there wasn't anything like this
> >>> complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific or GW
> >>> Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us".
> >>> So
> >>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code
> >>> is ever bug free. Should we report them?
> >> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the
> >> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here
> >> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common
> >> denominator.
> >>>
> >>> /Krister
> >>>
> >>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers,
> >>>> know, is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony,
> >>>> etc, reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may
> >>>> appear to be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately
> >>>> or, in some cases, ever.
> >>>>
> >>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization
> >>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing
> >>>> non-mission critical problems, it may appear to be to external
> >>>> testers.
> >>>>
> >>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization
> >>>> aware of the problems and hope that it will manage to address
> >>>> said problems in a future release.
> >>>>
> >>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job
> >>>> because, when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them
> >>>> or cares how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain,
> >>>> people think that the testers are not testing well enough.
> >>>>
> >>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is
> >>>> my way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I
> >>>> may now take for granted; things like clean drinking water,
> >>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines,
> >>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille
> >>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those
> >>>> blind and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a
> >>>> means by which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to
> >>>> those who will follow.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please
> >>>> try to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that
> >>>> number would most likely be much higher.
> >>>>
> >>>> Most Sincerely,
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
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