I do a lot of email on my phone, as well as answer calls, and I’m not seeing the freezing issue, so perhaps it’s a case-by-case basis, which could make the bug harder to track down and fix. Keep reporting it to Apple accessibility.
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:15 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Ugh, tat bts. I do a lot of email on the iPhone, and being able to answer my > phone is important to me, so I think I'll continue to hold off on updating to > iOS 9 for now. I hope another update will fix these two issues. For me, > they're the most important ones. I can handle my Braille display > disconnecting after turning on airplane mode and not reconnecting when I turn > on bluetooth, but while that doesn't bother me as much, I'm sure it would be > absolutely intolerable for a person who's deaf-blind who uses airplane mode a > lot. > > Apple seems to have issues with bluetooth and phone calls. > > > Thanks, > Ari > >> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well maybe it's because I'm using a iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, or maybe it's >> because I have so many messages in my in box, but it takes more than a few >> seconds for VoiceOver to come back for me. It's closer to 20 or 30 seconds. >> As I said, this seriously impacts my productivity. >> >>> On 10/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Davert wrote: >>> Hi Chris Chaltain. >>> You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an >>> email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will >>> come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S, >>> but I hope that may help. >>> I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you >>> are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing >>> someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a >>> disservice. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>>> On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly >>>> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one >>>> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news >>>> in >>>> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then >>>> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and >>>> highlights >>>> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite >>>> Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well >>>> as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV >>>> which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping >>>> next Thursday. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>> Of Rajmund >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>>> >>>> Hello Mark, >>>> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the >>>> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few >>>> less, really. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: M. Taylor <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am >>>> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rajmund, >>>>> >>>>> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just >>>>> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Rajmund >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. >>>>> But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple >>>>>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the >>>>>> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs >>>>>> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time >>>>>> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think >>>>>> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for >>>>>> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs >>>>>> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed >>>>>> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like >>>>>> answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing >>>>>> reasonably well overall. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Anna >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone, >>>>>>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X >>>>>>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and >>>>>>> a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from >>>>>>> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. >>>>>>> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the >>>>>>> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There >>>>>>> are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that >>>>>>> the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I >>>>>>> can't live with. >>>>>>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I >>>>>>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the >>>>>>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a >>>>>>> thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know >>>>>>> what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many >>>>>>> bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, >>>>>>> JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely >>>>>>> used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some >>>>>>> degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs >>>>>>> before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for >>>>>>> that next big thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if >>>>>>>> Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, >>>>>>>> but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their >>>>>>>> developers. >>>>>>>> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you >>>>>>>> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a >>>>>>>> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never >>>>>>>> do anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that >>>>>>>> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, >>>>>>>> but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and >>>>>>>> responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually >>>>>>>> unusable for two tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. >>>>>>>> IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list about the impacts >>>>>>>> certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use our phones >>>>>>>> the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user because >>>>>>>> they're more impacted by a bug than we are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways >>>>>>>> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom >>>>>>>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I >>>>>>>> don't see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the >>>>>>>> blindness community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter >>>>>>>>> what we as beta testers might say? For every release there has >>>>>>>>> been and probably will be a tsunami of negativity and >>>>>>>>> complaining and even if what has been complained about would be >>>>>>>>> fixed to perfection they complain about the fixes. Either it's >>>>>>>>> too bloody late or there's too little or too much of everything. >>>>>>>>> I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see >>>>>>>>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, >>>>>>>>> nobody's perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that >>>>>>>>> Apple gets so many complaints about things that aren't even >>>>>>>>> their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don't work or >>>>>>>>> such. In my time on Windows there wasn't anything like this >>>>>>>>> complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific or GW >>>>>>>>> Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So >>>>>>>>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code >>>>>>>>> is ever bug free. Should we report them? >>>>>>>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the >>>>>>>> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here >>>>>>>> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common >>>>>>>> denominator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, >>>>>>>>>> know, is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, >>>>>>>>>> etc, reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may >>>>>>>>>> appear to be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately >>>>>>>>>> or, in some cases, ever. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization >>>>>>>>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing >>>>>>>>>> non-mission critical problems, it may appear to be to external >>>>>>>>>> testers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization >>>>>>>>>> aware of the problems and hope that it will manage to address >>>>>>>>>> said problems in a future release. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job >>>>>>>>>> because, when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them >>>>>>>>>> or cares how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, >>>>>>>>>> people think that the testers are not testing well enough. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is >>>>>>>>>> my way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I >>>>>>>>>> may now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, >>>>>>>>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, >>>>>>>>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille >>>>>>>>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those >>>>>>>>>> blind and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a >>>>>>>>>> means by which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to >>>>>>>>>> those who will follow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please >>>>>>>>>> try to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that >>>>>>>>>> number would most likely be much higher. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>>> VIPhone list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - 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