On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly
recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than
one
hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the
news in
a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then
check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and
highlights
the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite
Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as
well
as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV
which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start
shipping
next Thursday.
Regards,
Sieghard
Regards,
Sieghard
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
Hello Mark,
Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although,
the
new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few
less, really.
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Taylor <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
Hello Rajmund,
I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
Hello,
I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to,
either.
But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
----- Original Message -----
From: Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
hi,
I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the
bugs
they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I
think
the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the
bugs
this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've
fixed
a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing
reasonably well overall.
Best,
Anna
On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]>
wrote:
Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There
are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that
the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that
I
can't live with.
Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a
thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know
what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many
bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows,
JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely
used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some
degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs
before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for
that next big thing.
Wayne
On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:
Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if
Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed,
but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their
developers.
Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you
weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a
minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd
never
do anything.
You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that
doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4,
but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and
responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually
unusable for two tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for.
IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list about the impacts
certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use our phones
the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user because
they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways
to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom
Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I
don't see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the
blindness community.
On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Hi,
Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter
what we as beta testers might say? For every release there has
been and probably will be a tsunami of negativity and
complaining and even if what has been complained about would be
fixed to perfection they complain about the fixes. Either it's
too bloody late or there's too little or too much of everything.
I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see
what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug,
nobody's perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that
Apple gets so many complaints about things that aren't even
their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don't work or
such. In my time on Windows there wasn't anything like this
complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific or GW
Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us".
So
are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code
is ever bug free. Should we report them?
Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the
problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here
and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common
denominator.
/Krister
22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>:
Hello Everyone,
I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers,
know, is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony,
etc, reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may
appear to be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately
or, in some cases, ever.
It has been my experience that the larger an organization
becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing
non-mission critical problems, it may appear to be to external
testers.
All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization
aware of the problems and hope that it will manage to address
said problems in a future release.
In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job
because, when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them
or cares how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain,
people think that the testers are not testing well enough.
To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is
my way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I
may now take for granted; things like clean drinking water,
electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines,
audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille
displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc.
Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those
blind and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a
means by which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to
those who will follow.
So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please
try to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that
number would most likely be much higher.
Most Sincerely,
Mark
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