I am using something called extrapolation based on a smaller sample (in this case, several blindness related groups on Facebook, a dozen or so mac and apple related blindness mailing lists and other data (including its prominence of use at the colorado center for the blind). what I have found is that there are far more blind iPhone users than there are blind android users (part of the issue is the cost of add on accessibility on some versions of android phones). I could probably set up a survey monkey page, spread around the link and ask a few questions in the survey. That would give me a better (and more credible) sampling. Right now, my numbers are only preliminary and a liberal estimate at that.
-eric On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > How does 40M iPhone sales in US last year convert to 6M blind iPhone users > (US or global?)? > Logic is fuzzy... > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote: > What is this app people are talking about? I can't seem to find the original > thread about this > > > Thanks, > Ari > > > On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote: > > > > well, if they don't care about this issue, lets make them care about > > something (like their revenue stream). attack that, and they most > > definitely will care. > > > > -eric > > > >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Rajmund wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> I take as they never have, and are not about to, care, either. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from an iPad > >> > >>> On 20 Feb 2016, at 8:12 pm, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of their > >>> statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very available to > >>> make their app accessible. the second half is more a statement of intent > >>> than anything else. Its more likely that they never considered use by the > >>> blind and are now being forced to admit to it (in a roundabout fashion). > >>> btw, I haven't sent that letter yet. I was hoping to see more responses > >>> on this before I did so. > >>> > >>> -eric > >>> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:40 AM, rajmund wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> LOL, least they were honest, and didn't just say, "Will do it in the > >>>> next update." > >>>> > >>>> Sent from a BrailleNote > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com > >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>> Date sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:54:38 -0700 > >>>> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding > >>>> VoiceOverAccessibility > >>>> > >>>> here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company. > >>>> Might I also suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and > >>>> posting a 0 star rating with a list of complaints. the more that show > >>>> up there, the greater their incentive to change their attitude (and > >>>> development cycle). Also, for anyone using the Android version of this > >>>> app, doing the same on the android store should also have a similar > >>>> impact. SOmeone could also start a change.org petition. The more > >>>> attention that is brought to bear on this, the more likely it is that > >>>> they will be forced to deal with this.. > >>>> > >>>> here is the letter: > >>>> > >>>> *** > >>>> Gentlemen, > >>>> I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or > >>>> the lack of it) in your application platform. I would also like to be > >>>> able to use your platform, but find that none of the controls or options > >>>> are accessible. Considering that apple published (free of charge mind > >>>> you) their API on how to interface with their screen reader, there is no > >>>> excuse for your lack of accessibility. In fact, your statement: " > >>>> > >>>> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to > >>>> use screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible > >>>> at this time. We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that > >>>> functionality any time soon." > >>>> > >>>> I must point out that your statement above is a slap in the face of any > >>>> blind user who may have to depend on your application to read specific > >>>> publications. Also, as you do business in the US and contract with > >>>> public institutions (schools, colleges, etc.), you are required to abide > >>>> by the terms of the US AMericans with Disabilities act (as amended > >>>> 1996). I am only pointing this out to you to bring to your attention > >>>> that someone else might decide your wallet would make a tempting target. > >>>> This is not a threat, this is advice you really should heed. Now, the > >>>> way I see it, you don't have any choice. THere is already a push on to > >>>> get other blind users to write in and hit you u up on this issue. > >>>> Considering the number of blindness related blogs, email lists and > >>>> social pages (on Facebook and other social media), this means you might > >>>> be forced to deal with this sooner (rather than later). > >>>> > >>>> FYI, data regarding accessibility on iOS is available here: > >>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperie > >>>> nce/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Making_Application_Accessible/ > >>>> Making_Application_Accessible.html > >>>> > >>>> please do not do me the disservice of sending a response like the one > >>>> quoted above. Might I suggest that you change your plans now, while you > >>>> still can. Considering the number of blind iPhone users (at last count, > >>>> somewhere north of 6 million or so), I would hate for you to have to > >>>> drop everything to start dealing with 6 million angry blind people. so, > >>>> your direction is now clear. take the steps (now) to make your product > >>>> accessible. > >>>> > >>>> thank you, > >>>> > >>>> Eric Oyen > >>>> *** > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dear All: > >>>> > >>>> Issuu is an app which provides access to millions of magazines, > >>>> newsletters, etc., on virtually any topic you can think of. My son, who > >>>> is also a VoiceOver user, wanted to access his high school's newspaper > >>>> which is on the platform. However, it is in an image pdf. Furthermore, > >>>> trying to get around the app is nightmarish, and it does not appear that > >>>> any of the available resources is accessible. > >>>> I wrote to their support center, and this is the response I received. > >>>> My response to that unhelpful response is first, with the response in > >>>> the middle, with my original message at the bottom. I think this is > >>>> absolutely something which should be available to those who use screen > >>>> readers. If others agree, I think we should bombard them with requests > >>>> to make their platform accessible. > >>>> Christine > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>> From: "Christine Grassman (issuu Support Team)" <feedb...@issuu.com > >>>> Subject: Update from issuu Support Re: Poor VoiceOver accessibility > >>>> Date: February 19, 2016 at 10:16:27 AM EST > >>>> To: Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com > >>>> Reply-To: issuu Support Team <feedb...@issuu.com > >>>> > >>>> ## Please do not write below this line ## > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Christine Grassman > >>>> Feb 19, 16:16 > >>>> > >>>> With all due respect, there is no excuse for this. Apple makes > >>>> available to developers, free of charge, guidelines for making apps > >>>> accessible. There's absolutely no reason not to do this. > >>>> Christine > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Angel (Help Center) > >>>> Feb 19, 11:51 > >>>> > >>>> Hi Christine, > >>>> > >>>> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to > >>>> use screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible > >>>> at this time. We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that > >>>> functionality any time soon. I'm so very sorry about that. > >>>> > >>>> If we do introduce this functionality at any point, we will put up an > >>>> announcement on our blog (blog.issuu.com) and on our help center > >>>> (help.issuu.com), so please do keep checking these places for updates. > >>>> > >>>> Please don't hesitate to write back if you have any other questions, and > >>>> we'd be happy to assist you. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Angel > >>>> > >>>> issuu is on iOS and Android. > >>>> > >>>> To learn more about issuu, please visit our Help Center. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Christine Grassman > >>>> Feb 15, 22:42 > >>>> > >>>> I am blind, as are my children. We use iPhones with VoiceOver > >>>> accessibility to access text. I am deeply disappointed that Issuu is > >>>> not voiceover accessible. Only some features are accessible, and one > >>>> cannot find and read magazines. In this day and age, this is > >>>> unacceptable. Information should be accessible to us just as to others. > >>>> There is no reason why the text of your millions of publications should > >>>> not be accessible using a screen reader. I hope that you will address > >>>> this as quickly as possible. > >>>> Christine Grassman > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This email is a service from Help Center. 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