Eric, I hope that you would not call that video a ringing endorsement. How many "ifs" does one need to overlook before a polite comment becomes a bona fide endorsement? There is a large gap between "taking an interest" in a technology and investing your life's savings in it - or even in promoting it without doing due diligence. I will repeat my comment so that there is no equivocation: Only a gullible person would invest in Bob Rohner's company at this point in time, since there is no proof of concept, and really no proof of anything - McKubre notwithstanding.
Can one be an independent endorser if one has a financial interest in the outcome - such as sitting on the Board, or holding stock in another Papp-engine company? As you may or may not know, in addition to the two feuding Rohner brothers and Sabori, there are two other completely independent groups which have been pursuing the Papp engine over the years. That makes five groups that are known, and probably a few that are under the radar. McKubre is known to have past ties to one of them. That may not mean anything negative now, and it could be positive if he has jumped ship to Rohner, but that is not what is being said. No group has demonstrated a self-running Papp device to an independent observer AFAIK, yet they all want to give the impression to investors that it is possible, but for them only - based more on anecdote than proof. And almost any engine manufacturer will sign a license agreement to produce an inventor's advanced engine at some future date and pay the inventor a commission, but only when the inventor first proves that it is working. That license means nothing when there is no upfront money changing hands. Randell Mills signed up a half dozen "licensees" to produce grid power from his invention- but Catch-22: only when he proves it is ready for prime time. No money changed hands, and no power is being supplied to the grid many years after he publicized these licenses. Same with Rohner - once he proves it, he will be poised to become a wealthy man, yet he has been in this holding position for many years. BTW - "Infinite Horizon" in San Jose is the name of one company which may have raised the most money from investors IIRC - but information on them is hard to come by. They were rumored to have a self-runner over a ago but the lack of a further announcement makes it seem otherwise. Anyway, those 'other two' groups not mentioned on Vortex before now, both in Silicon valley, were perceived by insiders as having superior technology and superior credentialed staff - to either Rohner group. For you own edification, you should ask McKubre if he is still has a financial interest and is on the Board of one of them - if you want to claim his comments constitute and independent endorsement of the technology. All-in-all ... if anyone succeeds, it will likely be a gold-mine for attorneys - not investors - since all parties claim to have the one true grail. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Walker Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Yet we cannot rely upon this reality until there is substantially more available. McKubre would be, with his comment, encouraging Bob Rohner to continue his work. Agreed. You make many valid points, especially concerning speculation about any mechanism. The point I'm directly addressing is one suggested earlier by Jones, that one would be naive and gullible to take interest in the newer Papp models. To this I would say, to the contrary -- all one needs is prima facie evidence that there might be something going on, which is what we get with Michael McKubre's endorsement. Eric
