If you are super-busy, why are you wasting your time? Yes, you have passed the test I congratulate you but it is a blasphemy to say that the test is silly. I have it from my friend and counselor for theological issues, a very famous Romanian Baptist preacher. Calling this test silly is equivalent to putting in doubt the inerrancy of the Bible.
I am not sharing this idea but I respect other people's opinion. I think you could well do the same, the dialogue between science and religion is- parallel monologs. Cold Fusion had its religious martyrs- the Cincinnati Group Stan and Don who had worked with dangerous radioactive stuff and both have died by leukemia. They were Charismatic Christians. See: http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/IE13-14CincinattiGroup.pdf and: http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/astiworkshop.pdf They have put their work and lives where their faith was. Because we both are busy, let's stop here, OK? Peter On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > ** > OK, I will oblige though I'm super busy. > > I presume that you are asking where in the Bible the existence of TV and > the Internet was predicted, more specifically how it is predicted in the > End-times apocalyptic scenario. I am pretty sure you are testing me to see > if I am as knowledgeable as I claim to be, so let me put your mind at > ease. I am not wise or knowledgeable by myself. In fact, I am a fool. > But the Wisdom is found in the Bible. So, let me show you where. > > In the Book of Revelation, it explains the rise of a Global World leader - > the Anti-Christ, who will set up a Global World Government with him as the > Monarch/King/Leader/Emperor/etc. There are too many verses for this so I > do not have the time to explicitly list each one. Besides, Bill > would surely ban me if I jammed up his list server with all the verses. > You're gonna have to read the book yourself. > > But, I mention the above factiod to answer your question regarding the > existence of TV and the Internet in the End Times scenario. > > In Revelation 11, it talks of 2 witnesses for God and how they were killed > by this Anti-Christ > **3** And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall > prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. > **4** These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing > before the God of the earth. **5** And if any man will hurt them, fire > proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man > will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. **6** These have power > to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have > power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all > plagues, as often as they will. **7** And when they shall have finished > their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall > make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. **8** And > their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which > spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. > **9** And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall > see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their > dead bodies to be put in graves. **10** And they that dwell upon the > earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to > another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. > **11** And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God > entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon > them which saw them. > > > So, here's an event that occured in one city over a span of 3.5 days that > can be seen by "people and kindreds and tongues and nations". This is a > clear referrence to many different peoples speaking many different > languages, quite obviously from many different countries. So, let me ask > you this? How can all peoples of the Earth see this one event. Did 6 > Billion people fly to this particular city in 3.5 days and see their dead > bodies laying on the street. > > Clearly, this passage is an allusion to the existence of something like > Live TV broadcast (CNN) or Internet YouTube. This is only possible with TV > and the Internet. > > This my friend, is the answer to your question. You asked for a specific > prediction, the Bible provides one. And the Bible contains many much more > technological predictions like this. Did you know that the Bible also > predicts the existence of Cold Fusion? Read it and find out > for yourself. How a "goat herder" could have written this by himself > stretches any credible imagination to the absurd breaking point. LOL..... > > > > Jojo > > > > PS. Did I pass your silly little test? > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 5:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? > > Dear Jojo, > > If you know so well the Bible, please tell me which verse from the > Apocalypse can be interpreted as prediction of the TV and the Internet? > > Please answer, do not explain it away. Thanks. > > Peter > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> ** >> Tell me, my friend, which "goat herder" wrote the Bible? It appears you >> have more information than I about the authorship of the Bible. Tell me, >> please, what is the name of the goat herder that wrote the entirety of the >> Bible? >> >> Have you even read the Bible? >> >> You know, It says in the Bible "Giovanni is an idiot". You say "No, it >> does not". I say "How do you know, when you haven't read it?" >> >> LOL .... >> >> >> >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> PS. Actually, The Bible calls people like Giovanni much more worse >> labels than an "idiot". Find out... read it for yourself and you'll see >> what I mean. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Giovanni Santostasi <gsantost...@gmail.com> >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 12:56 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >> >> How can anybody in the 21st century still mention the bible for any >> guidance on any topics goes beyond me. >> Don't you realize it is the "wisdom" of some ignorant goat herder that >> lived thousands of year ago? >> Giovanni >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> A chimera or chimaera is a single organism that is composed of two or >>> more different populations of genetically distinct cells that originated >>> from different zygotes involved in sexual reproduction. >>> >>> Chimeras are formed from at least four parent cells (two fertilized eggs >>> or early embryos fused together). Each population of cells keeps its own >>> character and the resulting organism is a mixture of tissues. Chimeras are >>> typically seen in animals; there are some reports of human chimerism. >>> >>> In the process of human chimerism, two separate souls existed at the >>> time of conception. >>> >>> When the early embryos fused together sometime after conception, does >>> two souls become one? Or does one of the souls die? Does the chimera have >>> two souls? >>> What Bible verse direct us in answering these soul allocation questions >>> associated with the formation of a chimera? >>> >>> ===================================== >>> Regarding the soul formation process associated with identical twin >>> formation. >>> >>> When the soul is created at conception, one soul is formed. But at a >>> later time, the blastocyst undergoes fission into two separate individuals. >>> When is the soul of the second individual formed? This second soul could >>> not have been in place at the time of conception. >>> >>> I contend that the Bible does not cover this secondary soul creation >>> process. Am I correct on this point? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> Axil, I always like your responses because you always get me thinking >>>> deeper. Anyways, I feel there are a few errors in your logic. >>>> >>>> First, you need to realize that the body - cells, DNA, etc. that form >>>> the human physical attributes exist in only 4 dimensions (length, width, >>>> height, and time). The soul on the other hand, comes from God and imparted >>>> by God and hence is "Spiritual" - metaphysical. A Soul is a >>>> "hyper-dimensional" entity. It exists beyond the 4 dimensions of our >>>> physical existence. That is why it survives our physical death. Your >>>> presupposition that a single fertilized egg, being small and >>>> non-functionalized, therefore can not "contain" the soul is a faulty >>>> premise. The soul is not bound by the size nor the non-functionality of a >>>> single egg. >>>> >>>> Second, you presuppose that the soul is "bound" to the cells and DNA. >>>> IOW, you say that by destroying a fingernail, you are "killing" a living >>>> entity. That is in fact is a faulty understanding. The soul is not bound >>>> to any cell or DNA. It exist 'with' our physical cells, DNA and body; not >>>> exist 'because of' our physical cells, DNA and body. The cells does not >>>> contaiin "part of a soul" that you kill when you trim your fingernail. The >>>> source of your (mis)understanding is the ancient occultic religion >>>> of animism, which presupposes that everything has a "soul", including >>>> inanimate objects like rocks and fingernails. >>>> >>>> Third. The creator of our being, clearly says that life starts in the >>>> womb. That means, conception is the time He imparts the living soul. The >>>> Bible teaches that God breathed into Adam and Adam became a Living soul. >>>> Before God's breathe, Adam was just a collection of dirt. God imparted the >>>> life. Before conception, the female egg is not alive, hence, when a woman >>>> experiences a menstrual cycle, that is not murder. Immediately at >>>> conception, God breathe into that union of egg and sperm a life. From that >>>> point on, that cells contains a living soul. That life is alive until such >>>> time as God decides to separate that living soul from that body, hence >>>> physical death occurs. >>>> >>>> Fourth, Putting human DNA to animal or vice versa has nothing to do >>>> with life or the soul. Man can do this all day long but until God breathes >>>> into that creation, it is not a lviing soul. As mentioned above, the soul >>>> is not bound to a cell or single DNA that you carry along with it when you >>>> transfer DNA to another animal. The soul is software. A computer is dead >>>> without software. You do not transfer software when you transfer a single >>>> resistor of a PC into another circuit. >>>> >>>> Last, my understanding is not of my own origin. I have no intellect to >>>> extend "my" theology, since it is not "my" theology to begin with. If you >>>> want to understand man and his soul, you have to study the software manual >>>> that comes with it. You need to study the Bible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 4:17 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >>>> >>>> Some believe that the soul comes into being when the human egg is >>>> fertilized; aka the moment of conception. In this way of thinking, >>>> with DNA as the software of the soul, the human DNA has the potential to >>>> form a complete person, but at the time of conception no organ is yet >>>> formed to contain the soul. With current technology, any cell in the >>>> body can be transformed into a omnipotent cell that can produce a human. >>>> So human spiritual characteristic is inherent in any DNA present in >>>> the human body. If this is true, do you commit murder when you cut >>>> your hair or trim your finger nails? If a mouse is given flawed >>>> disease carrying human DNA to simulate human disease or a goat is given >>>> human genes to produce human insulin, have these animals become human with >>>> a soul. If a geneticist copies human DNA, and puts it into a animal >>>> cell, does the animal become human? What parts of human DNA define the >>>> soul? >>>> Please extend your theology into the domain of genetic manipulation >>>> in your quest to define the soul. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> You've made my point better than I. For when you are studying the >>>>> ones and zeros wherever they may persist, you are in fact studying the >>>>> software. The ones and zeros are not hardware, they're software. >>>>> >>>>> Much like the soul. We can spend a hundred lifetimes studying neuron >>>>> chemical reactions, electrical impulses, cellular structure of brain cells >>>>> and other psychological theories and mumbo-jumbo; we will never understand >>>>> how Human consciousness works. To understand the human soul, one needs to >>>>> understand its creator. Much like studying the software requires an >>>>> understanding of Microsoft Software Engineer's design methods and >>>>> techniques, in fact, a understanding of the man himself. >>>>> >>>>> Tell me, can you reverse engineer the entire windows operating >>>>> system from the ones and zeros of machine code? Doesn't understanding >>>>> windows require understanding of its design at a higher level? not at the >>>>> machine code level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying >>>>> his >>>>> work? Why would one think he can understand the human soul by studying >>>>> the >>>>> individual ones and zeros of the neurons? >>>>> >>>>> You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions about the human >>>>> soul. This issue involves our humanistic prederilection to avoid >>>>> acknowledging the creator. We try our best to understand ourselves >>>>> without >>>>> studying the human blueprint. Such efforts are always doom to fail, much >>>>> like the fallacies of Darwinian Evolution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jojo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Patrick Ellul <ellulpatr...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >>>>> >>>>> If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows >>>>> installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and >>>>> understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as >>>>> ones and zeros on a memory device. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any psychological/psychiatric/**philosophical attempt to understand >>>>>> the soul is doom to failure from the onset. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed >>>>>> the Pentuim chip. Without understanding of the software, can you discern >>>>>> the operation of a PC from your understanding of the >>>>>> hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc? At best, you understanding would be >>>>>> severely incomplete and faulty. Software is the intangible thing that >>>>>> controls the behavior of the computer. Software controls the hardware. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the same token, experts in Psychology/Psychiatry/** >>>>>> Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/**etc, can never hope to completely >>>>>> understand the Human Soul. It is that intangible entity - the soul, that >>>>>> controls the hardware consisting of your brain cells/neurons, etc. The >>>>>> Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to understand the >>>>>> behavior of man. You need to study the soul, not the brain. The brain >>>>>> is >>>>>> simply a mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is the >>>>>> mechanism that MS Windows controls. The analogy is apt and accurate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the ideas of >>>>>> these philosophers/psychologists/**psychiatrists/etc. They are at >>>>>> best severely incomplete, at worst gravely misleading. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote >>>>>> the software soul. Study his book - the Bible to have a better >>>>>> understanding of human behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jojo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blanton" < >>>>>> hohlr...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of >>>>>>> consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction, >>>>>>> or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir >>>>>>> Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who >>>>>>> specialized in anesthesia and cancer research. Roger was seeking a >>>>>>> model of the brain that did not require computation. Hameroff wanted >>>>>>> to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went when >>>>>>> under. >>>>>>> Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of the >>>>>>> Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to the >>>>>>> curvature. Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the >>>>>>> superposition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the >>>>>>> structure. He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT can >>>>>>> influence other neurons. Together they see these electrons as a sea >>>>>>> embedded in the geometry of spacetime. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Needless to say, they have many critics. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> www.tRacePerfect.com >>>>> The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! >>>>> The quickest puzzle ever! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
