OK, I will oblige though I'm super busy.
I presume that you are asking where in the Bible the existence of TV and the
Internet was predicted, more specifically how it is predicted in the End-times
apocalyptic scenario. I am pretty sure you are testing me to see if I am as
knowledgeable as I claim to be, so let me put your mind at ease. I am not wise
or knowledgeable by myself. In fact, I am a fool. But the Wisdom is found in
the Bible. So, let me show you where.
In the Book of Revelation, it explains the rise of a Global World leader - the
Anti-Christ, who will set up a Global World Government with him as the
Monarch/King/Leader/Emperor/etc. There are too many verses for this so I do
not have the time to explicitly list each one. Besides, Bill would surely ban
me if I jammed up his list server with all the verses. You're gonna have to
read the book yourself.
But, I mention the above factiod to answer your question regarding the
existence of TV and the Internet in the End Times scenario.
In Revelation 11, it talks of 2 witnesses for God and how they were killed by
this Anti-Christ
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a
thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before
the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and
devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner
be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their
prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the
earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that
ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which
spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see
their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead
bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make
merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets
tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered
into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which
saw them.
So, here's an event that occured in one city over a span of 3.5 days that can
be seen by "people and kindreds and tongues and nations". This is a clear
referrence to many different peoples speaking many different languages, quite
obviously from many different countries. So, let me ask you this? How can all
peoples of the Earth see this one event. Did 6 Billion people fly to this
particular city in 3.5 days and see their dead bodies laying on the street.
Clearly, this passage is an allusion to the existence of something like Live TV
broadcast (CNN) or Internet YouTube. This is only possible with TV and the
Internet.
This my friend, is the answer to your question. You asked for a specific
prediction, the Bible provides one. And the Bible contains many much more
technological predictions like this. Did you know that the Bible also predicts
the existence of Cold Fusion? Read it and find out for yourself. How a "goat
herder" could have written this by himself stretches any credible imagination
to the absurd breaking point. LOL.....
Jojo
PS. Did I pass your silly little test?
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Gluck
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
Dear Jojo,
If you know so well the Bible, please tell me which verse from the Apocalypse
can be interpreted as prediction of the TV and the Internet?
Please answer, do not explain it away. Thanks.
Peter
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:
Tell me, my friend, which "goat herder" wrote the Bible? It appears you
have more information than I about the authorship of the Bible. Tell me,
please, what is the name of the goat herder that wrote the entirety of the
Bible?
Have you even read the Bible?
You know, It says in the Bible "Giovanni is an idiot". You say "No, it
does not". I say "How do you know, when you haven't read it?"
LOL ....
Jojo
PS. Actually, The Bible calls people like Giovanni much more worse labels
than an "idiot". Find out... read it for yourself and you'll see what I mean.
----- Original Message -----
From: Giovanni Santostasi
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
How can anybody in the 21st century still mention the bible for any
guidance on any topics goes beyond me.
Don't you realize it is the "wisdom" of some ignorant goat herder that
lived thousands of year ago?
Giovanni
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
A chimera or chimaera is a single organism that is composed of two or
more different populations of genetically distinct cells that originated from
different zygotes involved in sexual reproduction.
Chimeras are formed from at least four parent cells (two fertilized
eggs or early embryos fused together). Each population of cells keeps its own
character and the resulting organism is a mixture of tissues. Chimeras are
typically seen in animals; there are some reports of human chimerism.
In the process of human chimerism, two separate souls existed at the
time of conception.
When the early embryos fused together sometime after conception, does
two souls become one? Or does one of the souls die? Does the chimera have two
souls?
What Bible verse direct us in answering these soul allocation questions
associated with the formation of a chimera?
=====================================
Regarding the soul formation process associated with identical twin
formation.
When the soul is created at conception, one soul is formed. But at a
later time, the blastocyst undergoes fission into two separate individuals.
When is the soul of the second individual formed? This second soul
could not have been in place at the time of conception.
I contend that the Bible does not cover this secondary soul creation
process. Am I correct on this point?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:
Axil, I always like your responses because you always get me thinking
deeper. Anyways, I feel there are a few errors in your logic.
First, you need to realize that the body - cells, DNA, etc. that form
the human physical attributes exist in only 4 dimensions (length, width,
height, and time). The soul on the other hand, comes from God and imparted by
God and hence is "Spiritual" - metaphysical. A Soul is a "hyper-dimensional"
entity. It exists beyond the 4 dimensions of our physical existence. That is
why it survives our physical death. Your presupposition that a single
fertilized egg, being small and non-functionalized, therefore can not "contain"
the soul is a faulty premise. The soul is not bound by the size nor the
non-functionality of a single egg.
Second, you presuppose that the soul is "bound" to the cells and DNA.
IOW, you say that by destroying a fingernail, you are "killing" a living
entity. That is in fact is a faulty understanding. The soul is not bound to
any cell or DNA. It exist 'with' our physical cells, DNA and body; not exist
'because of' our physical cells, DNA and body. The cells does not contaiin
"part of a soul" that you kill when you trim your fingernail. The source of
your (mis)understanding is the ancient occultic religion of animism, which
presupposes that everything has a "soul", including inanimate objects like
rocks and fingernails.
Third. The creator of our being, clearly says that life starts in the
womb. That means, conception is the time He imparts the living soul. The
Bible teaches that God breathed into Adam and Adam became a Living soul.
Before God's breathe, Adam was just a collection of dirt. God imparted the
life. Before conception, the female egg is not alive, hence, when a woman
experiences a menstrual cycle, that is not murder. Immediately at conception,
God breathe into that union of egg and sperm a life. From that point on, that
cells contains a living soul. That life is alive until such time as God
decides to separate that living soul from that body, hence physical death
occurs.
Fourth, Putting human DNA to animal or vice versa has nothing to do
with life or the soul. Man can do this all day long but until God breathes
into that creation, it is not a lviing soul. As mentioned above, the soul is
not bound to a cell or single DNA that you carry along with it when you
transfer DNA to another animal. The soul is software. A computer is dead
without software. You do not transfer software when you transfer a single
resistor of a PC into another circuit.
Last, my understanding is not of my own origin. I have no intellect
to extend "my" theology, since it is not "my" theology to begin with. If you
want to understand man and his soul, you have to study the software manual that
comes with it. You need to study the Bible.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Axil Axil
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
Some believe that the soul comes into being when the human egg is
fertilized; aka the moment of conception.
In this way of thinking, with DNA as the software of the soul, the
human DNA has the potential to form a complete person, but at the time of
conception no organ is yet formed to contain the soul.
With current technology, any cell in the body can be transformed
into a omnipotent cell that can produce a human.
So human spiritual characteristic is inherent in any DNA present in
the human body.
If this is true, do you commit murder when you cut your hair or
trim your finger nails?
If a mouse is given flawed disease carrying human DNA to simulate
human disease or a goat is given human genes to produce human insulin, have
these animals become human with a soul.
If a geneticist copies human DNA, and puts it into a animal cell,
does the animal become human? What parts of human DNA define the soul?
Please extend your theology into the domain of genetic manipulation
in your quest to define the soul.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]>
wrote:
You've made my point better than I. For when you are studying
the ones and zeros wherever they may persist, you are in fact studying the
software. The ones and zeros are not hardware, they're software.
Much like the soul. We can spend a hundred lifetimes studying
neuron chemical reactions, electrical impulses, cellular structure of brain
cells and other psychological theories and mumbo-jumbo; we will never
understand how Human consciousness works. To understand the human soul, one
needs to understand its creator. Much like studying the software requires an
understanding of Microsoft Software Engineer's design methods and techniques,
in fact, a understanding of the man himself.
Tell me, can you reverse engineer the entire windows operating
system from the ones and zeros of machine code? Doesn't understanding windows
require understanding of its design at a higher level? not at the machine code
level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying his work? Why would
one think he can understand the human soul by studying the individual ones and
zeros of the neurons?
You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions about the
human soul. This issue involves our humanistic prederilection to avoid
acknowledging the creator. We try our best to understand ourselves without
studying the human blueprint. Such efforts are always doom to fail, much like
the fallacies of Darwinian Evolution.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Ellul
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS
Windows installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and
understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as ones
and zeros on a memory device.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]>
wrote:
Any psychological/psychiatric/philosophical attempt to
understand the soul is doom to failure from the onset.
Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who
designed the Pentuim chip. Without understanding of the software, can you
discern the operation of a PC from your understanding of the
hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc? At best, you understanding would be severely
incomplete and faulty. Software is the intangible thing that controls the
behavior of the computer. Software controls the hardware.
On the same token, experts in
Psychology/Psychiatry/Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/etc, can never hope to
completely understand the Human Soul. It is that intangible entity - the soul,
that controls the hardware consisting of your brain cells/neurons, etc. The
Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to understand the behavior
of man. You need to study the soul, not the brain. The brain is simply a
mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is the mechanism that
MS Windows controls. The analogy is apt and accurate.
Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the
ideas of these philosophers/psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. They are at best
severely incomplete, at worst gravely misleading.
If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one
who wrote the software soul. Study his book - the Bible to have a better
understanding of human behavior.
Jojo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blanton"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best
explanation of
consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective
Reduction,
or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea
separately, Sir
Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who
specialized in anesthesia and cancer research. Roger was
seeking a
model of the brain that did not require computation.
Hameroff wanted
to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went
when under.
Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of
the
Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to
the
curvature. Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the
superposition.
Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the
structure. He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT
can
influence other neurons. Together they see these electrons
as a sea
embedded in the geometry of spacetime.
Needless to say, they have many critics. :-)
--
Patrick
www.tRacePerfect.com
The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can
perfect!
The quickest puzzle ever!
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
