That was a total non sequiteur. Do you honestly believe that deaf people wouldn't rather be able to hear? And understand what people are saying if they aren't using sign language? This has NOTHING to do with how other people feel about them. This is just about ability. Lightening your skin to have better opportunities would just be about acceptance and changing how people feel about you (maybe, unfortunately). It wouldn't change your inherent abilities or strengths or skills. You still haven't answered my basic question. Regardless of what deaf people say to the media or in public, do you truly think that at least a good number wouldn't rather be able to hear what is going on around them, given the choice? Why is it any different than blind people wanting to be able to see? Again, should I have been content to just go along with what nature gave me and not be able to to fully function in society because I refused to correct my vision? There is something wrong with these people's hearing mechanism! They have to compensate or correct it, or they won't be able to fully participate in their society. Do I really sound prejudiced? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think deaf people should be able to do everything they are capable of. I just think that if they want to take advantage of technology to improve their hearing or comprehend speech without sign language, they should be able to. Is that really a problem? Black people don't have something wrong with their skin or pigment, it's just different. I don't really think it is a complicated philosophical question, and you can argue just for the sake of arguing, but it is totally different than black people wanting to be white just to be accepted. At least that is my perspective, obviously.
--- In [email protected], "dvm8375" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > By your logic, should black people lighten their skin to have better > social/professional/etc. opportunities too? > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > I guess my issue is that deaf people who don't lip-read can only > > communicate with each other or people who happened to learn sign > > language out of interest or in order to communicate with deaf > people > > in their lives. Do deaf people really think lipreading is such a > bad > > thing? I wonder if most deaf people don't honestly wish they > could > > hear. I don't think any blind people don't wish they could see. > Yes > > of course in a concert you can hear the vibrations, etc., you can > see > > people clapping, you learn ways around it. But don't you think > you > > have more professional, social, etc. opportunities if you can hear > > what is going on around you? I realize there are two different > but > > related issues, lipreading and cochlear implants or other devices > > to "cure" deafness. I don't think I'm being harsh, just > realistic. > > You are welcome to disagree, but that is how I feel. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Daria Akers" > > > <daria.akers@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Fully enjoy? Humm.... they don't enjoy them like you do but > that > > > doesn't > > > > mean that they enjoy them less. I would insert the article > from > > the > > > Post a > > > > few months ago about the deaf interpreters at the Billy Joel > > > concert. Great > > > > article. > > > > Besides people who are differently-abled sometimes do things > that > > > we never > > > > even thought about..... This video is a perfect example: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBv79LKfMt4 > > > > I've personally never thought about trying to learn to echo > > locate > > > because I > > > > don't have to but sure would be cool. > > > > Ok that had nothing to do with what we were talking about but > > it's > > > soooo > > > > COOL. > > > > Daria > > > > > > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > gay vs. deaf is apples and oranges--I'm not talking about > > > acceptance > > > > > vs. discrimination like is the issue with the gay community, > I'm > > > > > talking about being able to to fully participate in > society. > > Gay > > > > > people can fully participate in society, except for getting > > > married. > > > > > They can fully enjoy concerts, movies, plays, waves > crashing, > > rain > > > > > against the window, etc. It's not an issue of "getting away > > with" > > > > > being a hearing person, it's an issue of being able to fully > > > > > participate in/enjoy all life has to offer. IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weingartenchatters/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weingartenchatters/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
