https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208

--- Comment #64 from Steven Walling <[email protected]> 2011-09-14 
18:55:14 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #58)
> (In reply to comment #46)
> > The trial as proposed treats a symptom of the problem (too many bad articles
> > created), not the actual problem (creating articles is wonky and encourages 
> > bad
> > article creation).  Erik's proposal and Brandons designs actually are aimed 
> > at
> > the CAUSE of the problem.  I'm just sayin... if I were you, I would claim 
> > that
> > as a win.
> 
> I wish that some of the WMF developers and staff would take a day off from 
> your
> normal duties, and do the following to get a perspective on what's going on
> here: Go to Special:NewPages, and find the list of articles that were created
> about 10-15 days ago.  Pick a day, and patrol the entire list of articles that
> were created in that 24-hour period (which will be missing the very worst
> articles which would have been weeded out by the people who patrol the front 
> of
> the queue).  Then, patrol the front of the queue for a few hours to get a raw
> look at the stream of the worst articles that are constantly getting speedy
> deleted.  At the end of that process, you should have a much better 
> perspective
> on the state of new article creation at en-wiki.
> 

I haven't commented here yet, but I just wanted to make two points:

1). It's a myth that no one on staff is a Wikipedian and that we have zero
experience dealing with new pages and new editors. There are others including
Erik, but as examples Philippe and I are both active English Wikipedia admins
who have deleted thousands of pages between us. We know exactly how much crap
flows in to the project. 

2). Actually I think as part of our work on this, I would be happy to commit to
doing a solid chunk of New Page Patrol in my off time. I've worked CSD and
similar spaces before, but not done work through Special:NewPages
substantially.

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