Hi All, With due respect to all the female members of WE, i feel the WikiMaster conveys the intended meaning for that level of attainment. Ibrahim Oyekanmi
On 7/25/10, Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Carol, > > Yes, -- the way we do this is in WikiEducator is through the process of a > "Community Workgroup" --- There is a policy which guides the establishment > of workgroups and the procedures for decisions which have a community wide > impact. > > See: http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines > > Clearly there is community interest relating to the nomenclature of the > WIkimaster typology and given that there is already an existing workgroup, > this would be the best vehicle to take a community decision and plan for the > implementation. Work would be done transparently in the wiki with regular > updates on the community list. In this way -- anyone with a substantive > interest in the topic will be free to add their views and help shape and > implement any decisions which are taken. > > This is an issue falling within the ambit of an "operational guideline" and > would not require "approval" from Council to be implemented -- which is the > reason Council approved the policy for workgroups - -that is a process for > the community to take decisions. > > Next step is to get the nomenclature question into the charter for this > workgroup and move forward. > > Cheers > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 July 2010 12:14, Carol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Interesting discussion. Is there any way Wayne to put this out to the >> whole WikiEducator community so we get a wide range of views? >> >> Cheers Carol >> >> On Jul 26, 5:17 am, Alison Snieckus <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I'm OK with the nomenclature as is. As Jan and others have indicated, by >> > using the term "master" as we do, even recognizing that our intent >> > refers >> to >> > the idea of mastery, we continue the process of changing its meaning to >> > include women. I like the idea of "reclaiming" language to suit our >> current >> > needs. As far as I can tell, there are no identified "wikimasters". >> > >> > It is more important to me that both men and women are sufficiently >> > represented in the upper certification levels. >> > >> > I added a note with a link to this discussion on the >> > Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria< >> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria>page >> > on WE. >> > >> > Good discussion, >> > Alisonhttp://wikieducator.org/User:ASnieckus >> > >> > 2010/7/25 ESPHIT Andrés Aurelio Alarcón Tique <[email protected]> >> > >> > > Hellow every body >> > > I have also the feeling that there is no matters than affect people >> using >> > > generic names regarding our genders, some of name come from history >> > > and >> > > customes >> > > In spanish there names had been lateley reformed to be also female, >> > > but >> > > they don´t sounds good I´ll prefer the used name. in english is easy >> > > to >> use >> > > generic names without think in genders >> > >> > > Best Regards >> > > Andres Aurelio >> > >> > > 2010/7/25 Jan Visser <[email protected]> >> > >> > > Hi Minh and Carol, >> > >> > >> Yes, Minh, that’s exactly my point. It’s by using the terms across >> > >> the >> > >> genders that those connotations start changing. Terms like director, >> > >> minister, secretary, doctor, nurse, president, engineer, farmer, >> > >> entrepreneur, author, technician and many more are used across the >> genders. >> > >> In my own culture of origin there are male midwives who refuse to be >> called >> > >> anything but midwife (because of the nice ring – the Dutch >> > >> translation >> of >> > >> midwife connotes wisdom) even though a perfectly acceptable gender >> neutral >> > >> term also exists. In the past such terms as the ones cited may have >> had >> > >> strong gender connotations, but the more we progress beyond the >> divisions of >> > >> the past, the more those terms lose those connoted irrelevant >> meanings. We >> > >> are now way beyond the Middle Ages, a period in the history of Europe >> that >> > >> wasn’t as bad as often depicted. As we and our communities and >> societies >> > >> evolve throughout the ages, so do our languages. Flexibility is what >> allows >> > >> it to happen. >> > >> > >> Jan >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ >> > >> > >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> > >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *minh mcCloy >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:54 PM >> > >> *To:* [email protected] >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Nomenclature for WikiMaster >> > >> > >> *Why can't master be rounded up & be just gently morphed into a word >> > >> that connotes any & all genders. English does meaning shifts all the >> time to >> > >> - it is part of its power & delight.* >> > >> > >> *Why abandon 'master' to a gendered ghetto? What will you do with >> > >> 'masterpiece" -gurupiece, superpersonpiece?* >> > >> > >> *We could embrace 'master' exhibit flexibility.* >> > >> > >> *wikimaster has a nice ring to it* >> > >> > >> *:) >> > >> minh* >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Carol <[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> Hi Jan >> > >> > >> Interesting that you raise the issue that a woman could take over on >> > >> the death of her husband. Not of any consolation for those not >> > >> wishing >> > >> to be married who who might have liked to be a member of the guild in >> > >> their own right not as a replacement for a dead husband. Pls don't >> > >> think I am having a go just wanting to add to the debate here. >> > >> > >> There have been many feminists myself amongst them who would have >> > >> willingly been awarded something other than Master for a degree, but >> > >> fighting academia is almost impossible in these matters. Heck I >> > >> couldn't even submit my thesis on CD back in 1999, now of course they >> > >> are digitising everything :) The irony is not lost on me. I hope one >> > >> day my female colleague will be able to be awarded something not >> > >> entitled Master. >> > >> > >> Everyone - What other terms are there we could use? 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