Sorry, hit the sent button too early, my fingers were fast (;-))) So in continuation of my thoughts, this is what I would like to share:
a. While Carol definitely has a point in pointing out the gender insensitive word "Master" (it would be the same vice versa, namely, if the WikiMaster programme would be called "WikiMistress", I am pretty sure our male population would object (smile!) b. I also think that the "wikiMASTER" programme should be looked at like a "degree", a recognition for completing certain tasks and assignment to showcase wikiskills 'mastered"/not mistressed. Like a Bachelor of Arts (not Bachelorette of Arts) or a Master Degree in whatever you want it to be (not a Mistress Degree). Several ideas were supported and naturally, our own cultures come into play, so WikiGuru naturally finds its home in mostly Asian environments but Champion, like I suggest, would be something chosen over here. I think if we are to change the naming convention for the "wikimaster" programme, we would need to find something gender neutral. Just my thoughts reading all the comments. Cheers, Patricia On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Patricia Schlicht < [email protected]> wrote: > It is really interesting to follow all the different views and for me > personally, there are seveal aspects that seems to ring true. They are: > > 1. While I think Carol has a point in pointing out the gender specific word > "Master", there are several thoughts I have I would like to share: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Sebastian Panakal < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I am watching the variety of ideas, interesting discussions and the >> enjoying thrill of being in WE community. Let there be more. I have not made >> up my mind yet... >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Randy Fisher <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am pleased to see the diversity and breadth of discussion - and many >>> new voices. >>> >>> It is a credit to our mutual efforts, that WikiEducator and OER are >>> reaching more and more people, and providing opportunities for substantive >>> discourse and content creation, and sharing. >>> >>> Bravo! >>> >>> - Randy >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:15 AM, minh mcCloy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> *I have often used the criteria of novice, apprentice, journeyman, >>>> master with k-6 kids in the context of skill acquisition. Not once has >>>> either the master or journeyMAN been an issue with the kids- they don't see >>>> it. Sometimes however a visiting adult will impose their acquired prejudice >>>> on the kids & insist on discussing/commenting on the practice. It induces a >>>> lot of shrugging in the kids as the attempt to see what issue is there. >>>> * >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *It is my feminism that makes me want claim words that are useful or >>>> stylish or quaint or incongruous for general use. On the other hand I have >>>> a >>>> real fondness for the word aviatrix - so singular, so little opportunity to >>>> use it. But if I could aviate I think I would call myself an aviatrix :D - >>>> & >>>> thus declare my mastery of the skies - me & Amelia Erheart.* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *:)* >>>> *minh >>>> * >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM, MALLAMIBRO <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> With due respect to all the female members of WE, i feel the >>>>> WikiMaster conveys the intended meaning for that level of attainment. >>>>> Ibrahim Oyekanmi >>>>> >>>>> On 7/25/10, Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Hi Carol, >>>>> > >>>>> > Yes, -- the way we do this is in WikiEducator is through the process >>>>> of a >>>>> > "Community Workgroup" --- There is a policy which guides the >>>>> establishment >>>>> > of workgroups and the procedures for decisions which have a community >>>>> wide >>>>> > impact. >>>>> > >>>>> > See: >>>>> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines >>>>> > >>>>> > Clearly there is community interest relating to the nomenclature of >>>>> the >>>>> > WIkimaster typology and given that there is already an existing >>>>> workgroup, >>>>> > this would be the best vehicle to take a community decision and plan >>>>> for the >>>>> > implementation. Work would be done transparently in the wiki with >>>>> regular >>>>> > updates on the community list. In this way -- anyone with a >>>>> substantive >>>>> > interest in the topic will be free to add their views and help shape >>>>> and >>>>> > implement any decisions which are taken. >>>>> > >>>>> > This is an issue falling within the ambit of an "operational >>>>> guideline" and >>>>> > would not require "approval" from Council to be implemented -- which >>>>> is the >>>>> > reason Council approved the policy for workgroups - -that is a >>>>> process for >>>>> > the community to take decisions. >>>>> > >>>>> > Next step is to get the nomenclature question into the charter for >>>>> this >>>>> > workgroup and move forward. >>>>> > >>>>> > Cheers >>>>> > Wayne >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 26 July 2010 12:14, Carol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Interesting discussion. Is there any way Wayne to put this out to >>>>> the >>>>> >> whole WikiEducator community so we get a wide range of views? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Cheers Carol >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Jul 26, 5:17 am, Alison Snieckus <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > Hi all, >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I'm OK with the nomenclature as is. As Jan and others have >>>>> indicated, by >>>>> >> > using the term "master" as we do, even recognizing that our intent >>>>> >> > refers >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> > the idea of mastery, we continue the process of changing its >>>>> meaning to >>>>> >> > include women. I like the idea of "reclaiming" language to suit >>>>> our >>>>> >> current >>>>> >> > needs. As far as I can tell, there are no identified >>>>> "wikimasters". >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > It is more important to me that both men and women are >>>>> sufficiently >>>>> >> > represented in the upper certification levels. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I added a note with a link to this discussion on the >>>>> >> > Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria< >>>>> >> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria>page >>>>> >> > on WE. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Good discussion, >>>>> >> > Alisonhttp://wikieducator.org/User:ASnieckus >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > 2010/7/25 ESPHIT Andrés Aurelio Alarcón Tique <[email protected]> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > > Hellow every body >>>>> >> > > I have also the feeling that there is no matters than affect >>>>> people >>>>> >> using >>>>> >> > > generic names regarding our genders, some of name come from >>>>> history >>>>> >> > > and >>>>> >> > > customes >>>>> >> > > In spanish there names had been lateley reformed to be also >>>>> female, >>>>> >> > > but >>>>> >> > > they don´t sounds good I´ll prefer the used name. in english is >>>>> easy >>>>> >> > > to >>>>> >> use >>>>> >> > > generic names without think in genders >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > > Best Regards >>>>> >> > > Andres Aurelio >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > > 2010/7/25 Jan Visser <[email protected]> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > > Hi Minh and Carol, >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> Yes, Minh, that’s exactly my point. It’s by using the terms >>>>> across >>>>> >> > >> the >>>>> >> > >> genders that those connotations start changing. Terms like >>>>> director, >>>>> >> > >> minister, secretary, doctor, nurse, president, engineer, >>>>> farmer, >>>>> >> > >> entrepreneur, author, technician and many more are used across >>>>> the >>>>> >> genders. >>>>> >> > >> In my own culture of origin there are male midwives who refuse >>>>> to be >>>>> >> called >>>>> >> > >> anything but midwife (because of the nice ring – the Dutch >>>>> >> > >> translation >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> > >> midwife connotes wisdom) even though a perfectly acceptable >>>>> gender >>>>> >> neutral >>>>> >> > >> term also exists. In the past such terms as the ones cited may >>>>> have >>>>> >> had >>>>> >> > >> strong gender connotations, but the more we progress beyond the >>>>> >> divisions of >>>>> >> > >> the past, the more those terms lose those connoted irrelevant >>>>> >> meanings. We >>>>> >> > >> are now way beyond the Middle Ages, a period in the history of >>>>> Europe >>>>> >> that >>>>> >> > >> wasn’t as bad as often depicted. As we and our communities and >>>>> >> societies >>>>> >> > >> evolve throughout the ages, so do our languages. Flexibility is >>>>> what >>>>> >> allows >>>>> >> > >> it to happen. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> Jan >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> ------------------------------ >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>> >> > >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *minh mcCloy >>>>> >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:54 PM >>>>> >> > >> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Nomenclature for WikiMaster >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> *Why can't master be rounded up & be just gently morphed into >>>>> a word >>>>> >> > >> that connotes any & all genders. English does meaning shifts >>>>> all the >>>>> >> time to >>>>> >> > >> - it is part of its power & delight.* >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> *Why abandon 'master' to a gendered ghetto? What will you do >>>>> with >>>>> >> > >> 'masterpiece" -gurupiece, superpersonpiece?* >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> *We could embrace 'master' exhibit flexibility.* >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> *wikimaster has a nice ring to it* >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> *:) >>>>> >> > >> minh* >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Carol < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> Hi Jan >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> Interesting that you raise the issue that a woman could take >>>>> over on >>>>> >> > >> the death of her husband. Not of any consolation for those not >>>>> >> > >> wishing >>>>> >> > >> to be married who who might have liked to be a member of the >>>>> guild in >>>>> >> > >> their own right not as a replacement for a dead husband. Pls >>>>> don't >>>>> >> > >> think I am having a go just wanting to add to the debate here. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> There have been many feminists myself amongst them who would >>>>> have >>>>> >> > >> willingly been awarded something other than Master for a >>>>> degree, but >>>>> >> > >> fighting academia is almost impossible in these matters. Heck I >>>>> >> > >> couldn't even submit my thesis on CD back in 1999, now of >>>>> course they >>>>> >> > >> are digitising everything :) The irony is not lost on me. I >>>>> hope one >>>>> >> > >> day my female colleague will be able to be awarded something >>>>> not >>>>> >> > >> entitled Master. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> Everyone - What other terms are there we could use? 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