Hi All, I am pleased to see the diversity and breadth of discussion - and many new voices.
It is a credit to our mutual efforts, that WikiEducator and OER are reaching more and more people, and providing opportunities for substantive discourse and content creation, and sharing. Bravo! - Randy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:15 AM, minh mcCloy <[email protected]> wrote: > *I have often used the criteria of novice, apprentice, journeyman, master > with k-6 kids in the context of skill acquisition. Not once has either the > master or journeyMAN been an issue with the kids- they don't see it. > Sometimes however a visiting adult will impose their acquired prejudice on > the kids & insist on discussing/commenting on the practice. It induces a lot > of shrugging in the kids as the attempt to see what issue is there.* > * > * > *It is my feminism that makes me want claim words that are useful or > stylish or quaint or incongruous for general use. On the other hand I have a > real fondness for the word aviatrix - so singular, so little opportunity to > use it. But if I could aviate I think I would call myself an aviatrix :D - & > thus declare my mastery of the skies - me & Amelia Erheart.* > * > * > *:)* > *minh > * > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM, MALLAMIBRO <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> With due respect to all the female members of WE, i feel the >> WikiMaster conveys the intended meaning for that level of attainment. >> Ibrahim Oyekanmi >> >> On 7/25/10, Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi Carol, >> > >> > Yes, -- the way we do this is in WikiEducator is through the process of >> a >> > "Community Workgroup" --- There is a policy which guides the >> establishment >> > of workgroups and the procedures for decisions which have a community >> wide >> > impact. >> > >> > See: >> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines >> > >> > Clearly there is community interest relating to the nomenclature of the >> > WIkimaster typology and given that there is already an existing >> workgroup, >> > this would be the best vehicle to take a community decision and plan for >> the >> > implementation. Work would be done transparently in the wiki with >> regular >> > updates on the community list. In this way -- anyone with a substantive >> > interest in the topic will be free to add their views and help shape and >> > implement any decisions which are taken. >> > >> > This is an issue falling within the ambit of an "operational guideline" >> and >> > would not require "approval" from Council to be implemented -- which is >> the >> > reason Council approved the policy for workgroups - -that is a process >> for >> > the community to take decisions. >> > >> > Next step is to get the nomenclature question into the charter for this >> > workgroup and move forward. >> > >> > Cheers >> > Wayne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 26 July 2010 12:14, Carol <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Interesting discussion. Is there any way Wayne to put this out to the >> >> whole WikiEducator community so we get a wide range of views? >> >> >> >> Cheers Carol >> >> >> >> On Jul 26, 5:17 am, Alison Snieckus <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> >> > >> >> > I'm OK with the nomenclature as is. As Jan and others have indicated, >> by >> >> > using the term "master" as we do, even recognizing that our intent >> >> > refers >> >> to >> >> > the idea of mastery, we continue the process of changing its meaning >> to >> >> > include women. I like the idea of "reclaiming" language to suit our >> >> current >> >> > needs. As far as I can tell, there are no identified "wikimasters". >> >> > >> >> > It is more important to me that both men and women are sufficiently >> >> > represented in the upper certification levels. >> >> > >> >> > I added a note with a link to this discussion on the >> >> > Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria< >> >> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria>page >> >> > on WE. >> >> > >> >> > Good discussion, >> >> > Alisonhttp://wikieducator.org/User:ASnieckus >> >> > >> >> > 2010/7/25 ESPHIT Andrés Aurelio Alarcón Tique <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> > > Hellow every body >> >> > > I have also the feeling that there is no matters than affect people >> >> using >> >> > > generic names regarding our genders, some of name come from history >> >> > > and >> >> > > customes >> >> > > In spanish there names had been lateley reformed to be also female, >> >> > > but >> >> > > they don´t sounds good I´ll prefer the used name. in english is >> easy >> >> > > to >> >> use >> >> > > generic names without think in genders >> >> > >> >> > > Best Regards >> >> > > Andres Aurelio >> >> > >> >> > > 2010/7/25 Jan Visser <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> > > Hi Minh and Carol, >> >> > >> >> > >> Yes, Minh, that’s exactly my point. It’s by using the terms across >> >> > >> the >> >> > >> genders that those connotations start changing. Terms like >> director, >> >> > >> minister, secretary, doctor, nurse, president, engineer, farmer, >> >> > >> entrepreneur, author, technician and many more are used across the >> >> genders. >> >> > >> In my own culture of origin there are male midwives who refuse to >> be >> >> called >> >> > >> anything but midwife (because of the nice ring – the Dutch >> >> > >> translation >> >> of >> >> > >> midwife connotes wisdom) even though a perfectly acceptable gender >> >> neutral >> >> > >> term also exists. In the past such terms as the ones cited may >> have >> >> had >> >> > >> strong gender connotations, but the more we progress beyond the >> >> divisions of >> >> > >> the past, the more those terms lose those connoted irrelevant >> >> meanings. We >> >> > >> are now way beyond the Middle Ages, a period in the history of >> Europe >> >> that >> >> > >> wasn’t as bad as often depicted. As we and our communities and >> >> societies >> >> > >> evolve throughout the ages, so do our languages. Flexibility is >> what >> >> allows >> >> > >> it to happen. >> >> > >> >> > >> Jan >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> >> > >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *minh mcCloy >> >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:54 PM >> >> > >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Nomenclature for WikiMaster >> >> > >> >> > >> *Why can't master be rounded up & be just gently morphed into a >> word >> >> > >> that connotes any & all genders. English does meaning shifts all >> the >> >> time to >> >> > >> - it is part of its power & delight.* >> >> > >> >> > >> *Why abandon 'master' to a gendered ghetto? What will you do with >> >> > >> 'masterpiece" -gurupiece, superpersonpiece?* >> >> > >> >> > >> *We could embrace 'master' exhibit flexibility.* >> >> > >> >> > >> *wikimaster has a nice ring to it* >> >> > >> >> > >> *:) >> >> > >> minh* >> >> > >> >> > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Carol < >> [email protected]> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> Hi Jan >> >> > >> >> > >> Interesting that you raise the issue that a woman could take over >> on >> >> > >> the death of her husband. Not of any consolation for those not >> >> > >> wishing >> >> > >> to be married who who might have liked to be a member of the guild >> in >> >> > >> their own right not as a replacement for a dead husband. Pls don't >> >> > >> think I am having a go just wanting to add to the debate here. >> >> > >> >> > >> There have been many feminists myself amongst them who would have >> >> > >> willingly been awarded something other than Master for a degree, >> but >> >> > >> fighting academia is almost impossible in these matters. Heck I >> >> > >> couldn't even submit my thesis on CD back in 1999, now of course >> they >> >> > >> are digitising everything :) The irony is not lost on me. I hope >> one >> >> > >> day my female colleague will be able to be awarded something not >> >> > >> entitled Master. >> >> > >> >> > >> Everyone - What other terms are there we could use? I am sure my >> list >> >> > >> of suggestions is only the tip of the iceberg. >> >> > >> >> > >> Carol >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> >> > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org >> >> > >> To visit the discussion forum: >> >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> > >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> >> > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org >> >> > >> To visit the discussion forum: >> >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> > >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> >> > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org >> >> > >> To visit the discussion forum: >> >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> > >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > "Busca solución a requerimientos tecnológicos, ESPHIT, le puede >> >> > > ayudar, >> >> > > CONSULTENOS" >> >> > > ELECTRONIC SERVICES & PRODUCTS OF HIGH TECHNOLOGY >> >> > > Consultoría, Soluciónes Llave en Mano >> Tecnología-Seguridad-Aprendizaje >> >> > > Autonomo >> >> > > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] >> >> > > NOTICIA DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD >> >> > > Este mensaje contiene información confidencial y se encuentra >> >> > > protegido >> >> por >> >> > > la Ley. 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