*I have often used the criteria of novice, apprentice, journeyman, master with k-6 kids in the context of skill acquisition. Not once has either the master or journeyMAN been an issue with the kids- they don't see it. Sometimes however a visiting adult will impose their acquired prejudice on the kids & insist on discussing/commenting on the practice. It induces a lot of shrugging in the kids as the attempt to see what issue is there.* * * *It is my feminism that makes me want claim words that are useful or stylish or quaint or incongruous for general use. On the other hand I have a real fondness for the word aviatrix - so singular, so little opportunity to use it. But if I could aviate I think I would call myself an aviatrix :D - & thus declare my mastery of the skies - me & Amelia Erheart.* * * *:)* *minh * On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM, MALLAMIBRO <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi All, > With due respect to all the female members of WE, i feel the > WikiMaster conveys the intended meaning for that level of attainment. > Ibrahim Oyekanmi > > On 7/25/10, Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Carol, > > > > Yes, -- the way we do this is in WikiEducator is through the process of a > > "Community Workgroup" --- There is a policy which guides the > establishment > > of workgroups and the procedures for decisions which have a community > wide > > impact. > > > > See: > http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines > > > > Clearly there is community interest relating to the nomenclature of the > > WIkimaster typology and given that there is already an existing > workgroup, > > this would be the best vehicle to take a community decision and plan for > the > > implementation. Work would be done transparently in the wiki with > regular > > updates on the community list. In this way -- anyone with a substantive > > interest in the topic will be free to add their views and help shape and > > implement any decisions which are taken. > > > > This is an issue falling within the ambit of an "operational guideline" > and > > would not require "approval" from Council to be implemented -- which is > the > > reason Council approved the policy for workgroups - -that is a process > for > > the community to take decisions. > > > > Next step is to get the nomenclature question into the charter for this > > workgroup and move forward. > > > > Cheers > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 July 2010 12:14, Carol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Interesting discussion. Is there any way Wayne to put this out to the > >> whole WikiEducator community so we get a wide range of views? > >> > >> Cheers Carol > >> > >> On Jul 26, 5:17 am, Alison Snieckus <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I'm OK with the nomenclature as is. As Jan and others have indicated, > by > >> > using the term "master" as we do, even recognizing that our intent > >> > refers > >> to > >> > the idea of mastery, we continue the process of changing its meaning > to > >> > include women. I like the idea of "reclaiming" language to suit our > >> current > >> > needs. As far as I can tell, there are no identified "wikimasters". > >> > > >> > It is more important to me that both men and women are sufficiently > >> > represented in the upper certification levels. > >> > > >> > I added a note with a link to this discussion on the > >> > Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria< > >> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria>page > >> > on WE. > >> > > >> > Good discussion, > >> > Alisonhttp://wikieducator.org/User:ASnieckus > >> > > >> > 2010/7/25 ESPHIT Andrés Aurelio Alarcón Tique <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > > Hellow every body > >> > > I have also the feeling that there is no matters than affect people > >> using > >> > > generic names regarding our genders, some of name come from history > >> > > and > >> > > customes > >> > > In spanish there names had been lateley reformed to be also female, > >> > > but > >> > > they don´t sounds good I´ll prefer the used name. in english is easy > >> > > to > >> use > >> > > generic names without think in genders > >> > > >> > > Best Regards > >> > > Andres Aurelio > >> > > >> > > 2010/7/25 Jan Visser <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > > Hi Minh and Carol, > >> > > >> > >> Yes, Minh, that’s exactly my point. It’s by using the terms across > >> > >> the > >> > >> genders that those connotations start changing. Terms like > director, > >> > >> minister, secretary, doctor, nurse, president, engineer, farmer, > >> > >> entrepreneur, author, technician and many more are used across the > >> genders. > >> > >> In my own culture of origin there are male midwives who refuse to > be > >> called > >> > >> anything but midwife (because of the nice ring – the Dutch > >> > >> translation > >> of > >> > >> midwife connotes wisdom) even though a perfectly acceptable gender > >> neutral > >> > >> term also exists. In the past such terms as the ones cited may have > >> had > >> > >> strong gender connotations, but the more we progress beyond the > >> divisions of > >> > >> the past, the more those terms lose those connoted irrelevant > >> meanings. We > >> > >> are now way beyond the Middle Ages, a period in the history of > Europe > >> that > >> > >> wasn’t as bad as often depicted. As we and our communities and > >> societies > >> > >> evolve throughout the ages, so do our languages. Flexibility is > what > >> allows > >> > >> it to happen. > >> > > >> > >> Jan > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > > >> > >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > >> > >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *minh mcCloy > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:54 PM > >> > >> *To:* [email protected] > >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Nomenclature for WikiMaster > >> > > >> > >> *Why can't master be rounded up & be just gently morphed into a > word > >> > >> that connotes any & all genders. English does meaning shifts all > the > >> time to > >> > >> - it is part of its power & delight.* > >> > > >> > >> *Why abandon 'master' to a gendered ghetto? What will you do with > >> > >> 'masterpiece" -gurupiece, superpersonpiece?* > >> > > >> > >> *We could embrace 'master' exhibit flexibility.* > >> > > >> > >> *wikimaster has a nice ring to it* > >> > > >> > >> *:) > >> > >> minh* > >> > > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Carol < > [email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> Hi Jan > >> > > >> > >> Interesting that you raise the issue that a woman could take over > on > >> > >> the death of her husband. Not of any consolation for those not > >> > >> wishing > >> > >> to be married who who might have liked to be a member of the guild > in > >> > >> their own right not as a replacement for a dead husband. Pls don't > >> > >> think I am having a go just wanting to add to the debate here. > >> > > >> > >> There have been many feminists myself amongst them who would have > >> > >> willingly been awarded something other than Master for a degree, > but > >> > >> fighting academia is almost impossible in these matters. Heck I > >> > >> couldn't even submit my thesis on CD back in 1999, now of course > they > >> > >> are digitising everything :) The irony is not lost on me. I hope > one > >> > >> day my female colleague will be able to be awarded something not > >> > >> entitled Master. > >> > > >> > >> Everyone - What other terms are there we could use? 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