I am watching the variety of ideas, interesting discussions and the enjoying thrill of being in WE community. Let there be more. I have not made up my mind yet...
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Randy Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I am pleased to see the diversity and breadth of discussion - and many new > voices. > > It is a credit to our mutual efforts, that WikiEducator and OER are > reaching more and more people, and providing opportunities for substantive > discourse and content creation, and sharing. > > Bravo! > > - Randy > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:15 AM, minh mcCloy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *I have often used the criteria of novice, apprentice, journeyman, master >> with k-6 kids in the context of skill acquisition. Not once has either the >> master or journeyMAN been an issue with the kids- they don't see it. >> Sometimes however a visiting adult will impose their acquired prejudice on >> the kids & insist on discussing/commenting on the practice. It induces a lot >> of shrugging in the kids as the attempt to see what issue is there.* >> * >> * >> *It is my feminism that makes me want claim words that are useful or >> stylish or quaint or incongruous for general use. On the other hand I have a >> real fondness for the word aviatrix - so singular, so little opportunity to >> use it. But if I could aviate I think I would call myself an aviatrix :D - & >> thus declare my mastery of the skies - me & Amelia Erheart.* >> * >> * >> *:)* >> *minh >> * >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM, MALLAMIBRO <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> With due respect to all the female members of WE, i feel the >>> WikiMaster conveys the intended meaning for that level of attainment. >>> Ibrahim Oyekanmi >>> >>> On 7/25/10, Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Hi Carol, >>> > >>> > Yes, -- the way we do this is in WikiEducator is through the process of >>> a >>> > "Community Workgroup" --- There is a policy which guides the >>> establishment >>> > of workgroups and the procedures for decisions which have a community >>> wide >>> > impact. >>> > >>> > See: >>> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines >>> > >>> > Clearly there is community interest relating to the nomenclature of the >>> > WIkimaster typology and given that there is already an existing >>> workgroup, >>> > this would be the best vehicle to take a community decision and plan >>> for the >>> > implementation. Work would be done transparently in the wiki with >>> regular >>> > updates on the community list. In this way -- anyone with a substantive >>> > interest in the topic will be free to add their views and help shape >>> and >>> > implement any decisions which are taken. >>> > >>> > This is an issue falling within the ambit of an "operational guideline" >>> and >>> > would not require "approval" from Council to be implemented -- which is >>> the >>> > reason Council approved the policy for workgroups - -that is a process >>> for >>> > the community to take decisions. >>> > >>> > Next step is to get the nomenclature question into the charter for this >>> > workgroup and move forward. >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > Wayne >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 26 July 2010 12:14, Carol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Interesting discussion. Is there any way Wayne to put this out to the >>> >> whole WikiEducator community so we get a wide range of views? >>> >> >>> >> Cheers Carol >>> >> >>> >> On Jul 26, 5:17 am, Alison Snieckus <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> > Hi all, >>> >> > >>> >> > I'm OK with the nomenclature as is. As Jan and others have >>> indicated, by >>> >> > using the term "master" as we do, even recognizing that our intent >>> >> > refers >>> >> to >>> >> > the idea of mastery, we continue the process of changing its meaning >>> to >>> >> > include women. I like the idea of "reclaiming" language to suit our >>> >> current >>> >> > needs. As far as I can tell, there are no identified "wikimasters". >>> >> > >>> >> > It is more important to me that both men and women are sufficiently >>> >> > represented in the upper certification levels. >>> >> > >>> >> > I added a note with a link to this discussion on the >>> >> > Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria< >>> >> http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:Wikimaster_criteria>page >>> >> > on WE. >>> >> > >>> >> > Good discussion, >>> >> > Alisonhttp://wikieducator.org/User:ASnieckus >>> >> > >>> >> > 2010/7/25 ESPHIT Andrés Aurelio Alarcón Tique <[email protected]> >>> >> > >>> >> > > Hellow every body >>> >> > > I have also the feeling that there is no matters than affect >>> people >>> >> using >>> >> > > generic names regarding our genders, some of name come from >>> history >>> >> > > and >>> >> > > customes >>> >> > > In spanish there names had been lateley reformed to be also >>> female, >>> >> > > but >>> >> > > they don´t sounds good I´ll prefer the used name. in english is >>> easy >>> >> > > to >>> >> use >>> >> > > generic names without think in genders >>> >> > >>> >> > > Best Regards >>> >> > > Andres Aurelio >>> >> > >>> >> > > 2010/7/25 Jan Visser <[email protected]> >>> >> > >>> >> > > Hi Minh and Carol, >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Yes, Minh, that’s exactly my point. It’s by using the terms >>> across >>> >> > >> the >>> >> > >> genders that those connotations start changing. Terms like >>> director, >>> >> > >> minister, secretary, doctor, nurse, president, engineer, farmer, >>> >> > >> entrepreneur, author, technician and many more are used across >>> the >>> >> genders. >>> >> > >> In my own culture of origin there are male midwives who refuse to >>> be >>> >> called >>> >> > >> anything but midwife (because of the nice ring – the Dutch >>> >> > >> translation >>> >> of >>> >> > >> midwife connotes wisdom) even though a perfectly acceptable >>> gender >>> >> neutral >>> >> > >> term also exists. In the past such terms as the ones cited may >>> have >>> >> had >>> >> > >> strong gender connotations, but the more we progress beyond the >>> >> divisions of >>> >> > >> the past, the more those terms lose those connoted irrelevant >>> >> meanings. We >>> >> > >> are now way beyond the Middle Ages, a period in the history of >>> Europe >>> >> that >>> >> > >> wasn’t as bad as often depicted. As we and our communities and >>> >> societies >>> >> > >> evolve throughout the ages, so do our languages. Flexibility is >>> what >>> >> allows >>> >> > >> it to happen. >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Jan >>> >> > >>> >> > >> ------------------------------ >>> >> > >>> >> > >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> >> > >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *minh mcCloy >>> >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:54 PM >>> >> > >> *To:* [email protected] >>> >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Nomenclature for WikiMaster >>> >> > >>> >> > >> *Why can't master be rounded up & be just gently morphed into a >>> word >>> >> > >> that connotes any & all genders. English does meaning shifts all >>> the >>> >> time to >>> >> > >> - it is part of its power & delight.* >>> >> > >>> >> > >> *Why abandon 'master' to a gendered ghetto? What will you do with >>> >> > >> 'masterpiece" -gurupiece, superpersonpiece?* >>> >> > >>> >> > >> *We could embrace 'master' exhibit flexibility.* >>> >> > >>> >> > >> *wikimaster has a nice ring to it* >>> >> > >>> >> > >> *:) >>> >> > >> minh* >>> >> > >>> >> > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Carol < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Hi Jan >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Interesting that you raise the issue that a woman could take over >>> on >>> >> > >> the death of her husband. Not of any consolation for those not >>> >> > >> wishing >>> >> > >> to be married who who might have liked to be a member of the >>> guild in >>> >> > >> their own right not as a replacement for a dead husband. Pls >>> don't >>> >> > >> think I am having a go just wanting to add to the debate here. >>> >> > >>> >> > >> There have been many feminists myself amongst them who would have >>> >> > >> willingly been awarded something other than Master for a degree, >>> but >>> >> > >> fighting academia is almost impossible in these matters. Heck I >>> >> > >> couldn't even submit my thesis on CD back in 1999, now of course >>> they >>> >> > >> are digitising everything :) The irony is not lost on me. I hope >>> one >>> >> > >> day my female colleague will be able to be awarded something not >>> >> > >> entitled Master. >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Everyone - What other terms are there we could use? I am sure my >>> list >>> >> > >> of suggestions is only the tip of the iceberg. >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Carol >>> >> > >>> >> > >> -- >>> >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >> > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> >> > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org >>> >> > >> To visit the discussion forum: >>> >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> > >> [email protected] >>> >> > >>> >> > >> -- >>> >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >> > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> >> > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org >>> >> > >> To visit the discussion forum: >>> >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> > >> [email protected] >>> >> > >>> >> > >> -- >>> >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >> > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> >> > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org >>> >> > >> To visit the discussion forum: >>> >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> > >> [email protected] >>> >> > >>> >> > > -- >>> >> > > "Busca solución a requerimientos tecnológicos, ESPHIT, le puede >>> >> > > ayudar, >>> >> > > CONSULTENOS" >>> >> > > ELECTRONIC SERVICES & PRODUCTS OF HIGH TECHNOLOGY >>> >> > > Consultoría, Soluciónes Llave en Mano >>> Tecnología-Seguridad-Aprendizaje >>> >> > > Autonomo >>> >> > > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] >>> >> > > NOTICIA DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD >>> >> > > Este mensaje contiene información confidencial y se encuentra >>> >> > > protegido >>> >> por >>> >> > > la Ley. 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