I believe that the AB should have something to propose and say there, so until it is I am not going to put any proposals forward in this respect.
Best On Jun 27, 2017 4:39 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Are those channels proposed as part of the paper you brought to the BGC on > the 13th April, then? Or are you ready to discuss them now? Or will the > possibility of establishing them be postponed until some time after the > Advisory Board is reconstituted? > > "Rogol" > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> > wrote: > >> I think we should have those channels, once the body is constituted. >> >> Best >> >> Dj >> >> On Jun 26, 2017 19:59, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dariusz >>> >>> Thanks for that update. You don't mention any channels for >>> communication between the reconstituted Board and the Community at large, >>> nor opportunities for the Community at large to be involved in suggesting >>> names. I assume then that engagement with the Community is not considered >>> important here? >>> >>> "Rogol" >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello! The Advisory Board (AB) and its role was indeed among the BGC >>>> priorities for this year [1]. And I have been working with the former AB >>>> members on a concept for how the AB’s work should be organized. The >>>> concept >>>> they came up though needs to be clarified and improved, especially on >>>> how >>>> the AB internal coordination will be organized [2]. The group will work >>>> on >>>> this with minimal overhead from the Board of Trustees and without >>>> staff/budget support at first. The BGC believes that the AB can be used >>>> as >>>> a practical path for prospective members of the Board Board of Trustees, >>>> and to formalize relationships between high-profile experts, and staff >>>> and >>>> the Board members. We shall answer with more details soon. >>>> >>>> We have not made any announcements, as we're in the process, which I >>>> ope is >>>> understandable - there is no formal constitution of the body yet. >>>> >>>> Dariusz & Nat >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_G >>>> overnance_Committee/Minutes_2016-07-08#Advisory_Board >>>> [2] >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_G >>>> overnance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Rogol Domedonfors < >>>> domedonf...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Craig >>>> > >>>> > Thanks for your thoughtful response. There are two gneral issues >>>> around >>>> > the Advisory Board that members of the Community might be interested >>>> in. >>>> > >>>> > Firstly, it seems that after having lapsed in 2015, the Advisory >>>> Board has >>>> > been reconstituted, but there has been no announcement to the >>>> Community, >>>> > and indeed the Community was given no opportunity to engage with the >>>> > process of reconstitution (for example, by way of suggesting new >>>> members or >>>> > new processes). In particular, we in the Community do not know who >>>> the new >>>> > Advisory Board members are, or what the new remit of the Advisory >>>> Board is, >>>> > or whether and how to engage with those members. >>>> > >>>> > Secondly, as a consequence there are no established channels for >>>> engagement >>>> > between the Advisory Board and the Community. As a member of the new >>>> > Avdvisory Board, you may wish to encourage your colleagues to >>>> establish >>>> > appropriate opportunities and rules of engagement for yourself and >>>> your >>>> > fellow members to engage with the Community. >>>> > >>>> > You mentioned "tradtions". I am sorry to say that my personal view >>>> is that >>>> > the relationship between the Board of Trustees and the wider >>>> Foundation on >>>> > the one hand and the Community of contributors and consumers on the >>>> other >>>> > has "traditionally" been less than satisfctory. I hope that this is >>>> one >>>> > tradition that your advice will be helpful in overturning. >>>> > >>>> > "Rogol" >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Craig Newmark < >>>> craig.newm...@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Rogol, I'm on the advisory board, and actively involved in related >>>> > issues, >>>> > > but have hesitated posting in respect for Community traditions (as I >>>> > learn >>>> > > them) and also, as a large effort emerges in journalism regarding >>>> > reliable >>>> > > sources. >>>> > > >>>> > > Specifically, the latter involves the News Integrity Initiative >>>> centered >>>> > at >>>> > > the City University of NY, graduate journalism department. >>>> > > >>>> > > That's to say, I hesitate until I learn the respectful way to talk >>>> about >>>> > > this, and until the NII has a lot more to say. >>>> > > >>>> > > Additional constraint per the ethics of funding nonprofit >>>> journalism, per >>>> > > the American Press Institute: when I say something, I need to be >>>> > > transparent while also Doing No Harm. (The latter is surprisingly >>>> > > difficult.) To that effect, I gotta disclose that I provide >>>> significant >>>> > > funding to the NII as well as WMF. >>>> > > >>>> > > I'd appreciate your advice, and that of anyone interested in this >>>> > subject. >>>> > > Thanks! >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Craig Newmark, founder craigslist >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Rogol Domedonfors < >>>> > domedonf...@gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > > This Board was fomed in 2007 to advise the Wikimedia Foundation, >>>> and >>>> > was >>>> > > > required to be renewed annually. No resolution was made to do so >>>> in >>>> > > 2015, >>>> > > > so by the beginning of 2016 it had lapsed. This status is >>>> reflected at >>>> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Advisory_Board but the >>>> corresponding >>>> > > page >>>> > > > at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board is >>>> seriously >>>> > out >>>> > > of >>>> > > > date (it was written when the board was still in existence). Just >>>> > about >>>> > > a >>>> > > > year ago, Dariusz assured me that "it is one of the BGC's >>>> priorities to >>>> > > > revise and re-ignite the Advisory Board" and indeed the BGC >>>> minutes for >>>> > > > April published a couple of days ago at >>>> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ >>>> > > > Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017 >>>> > > > show that the BGC took a paper (not made public) from Dariusz on >>>> the >>>> > > > subject and agreed to "submit a formal proposal to the Board". No >>>> > Board >>>> > > > resoultion on the subject has yet been published. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Rather confusingly, shortly after the BGC meeting, Florence wrote >>>> a >>>> > page >>>> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ >>>> > > > movement/2017/Sources/WMF_Advisory_board >>>> > > > recording the Advisory Board's opinions on matters arising in the >>>> > current >>>> > > > movement strategy process. So it would seem that within a >>>> fortnight of >>>> > > the >>>> > > > BGC meeting, an entity called the Advisory Board was already in >>>> > existence >>>> > > > again. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > What is the status of the Avisory Board? Has it been >>>> reconstiuted, and >>>> > > if >>>> > > > so, when, and who are its new members? If it has not been >>>> > reconstituted, >>>> > > > what is the status of Florence's record? If and when the Advisory >>>> > Board >>>> > > is >>>> > > > reconstituted, will input from the Community for potential >>>> members be >>>> > > > welcome, and if so how will it be gathered? Once the Board is in >>>> > > operation >>>> > > > again, is it expected that it will interact with the Community, >>>> and if >>>> > > so, >>>> > > > what will the mechanism be for that interaction. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > "Rogol" >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma >>>> ilman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsu >>>> bscribe> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> > > wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma >>>> ilman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsu >>>> bscribe> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> > wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>>> , >>>> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> __________________________ >>>> prof. dr hab. 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