Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon,

In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any
responses you have too!)

The general gist, if I can put it this way, is "the current cite code is
working, don't fix it until it's broken". Which is good to hear :-) This
answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question
no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search
results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For
example - here is the NLA
catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up
a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent
in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are
newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code,
or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the
NLA that have no ISBN)?

Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this is
something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive
series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much
the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more
generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily
manually worked-around.
As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my primary
concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked it in
those terms over on too.

Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more direct
might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in Trove
aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a blanket
system wouldn't be appropriate).

Peace, love & metadata

On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling <> wrote:

> Hi Liam,
> I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your questions:
> 1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using wiki
> code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark up
> remains very useful.
> 2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper articles
> and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons would
> also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect.
> I hope that's helpful.
> Regards,
> Nick
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
> From:
> To:
> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove
> As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service include a
> WP citation code in the "cite this" drop down in all search results (along
> with permalink, and various standardised footnoting styles). At the
> Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech and
> database integration process - part of which is revisiting what kinds of
> citations are useful where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss
> where the WP citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some
> feedback:
> 1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this kind
> of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup?
> 2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service provided, and
> which are irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is for individual
> newspaper articles within Trove. However, I believe that there is little/no
> value in providing this service for individual book results in the NLA 
> catalogue
> search (because WP just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any
> individual library's collection). However - what about manuscripts, music
> scores, unpublished collections of personal papers, digitised maps.... Is
> it useful to have this service provided in those circumstances?
> -Liam / Wittylama
> (In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as employee of the
> NLA)
> --
> Peace, love & metadata
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