I've never used a NLA generated citation template, but have added many
templates generated by Diberri's template filler, the google books tool,
DOIBot and by hand. (RDBrown)
Like the British Library, Library of Congress, Worldcat or Google the
NLA doesn't (from a quick look) provide structured metadata on the
catalog entry webpages.
(View Page Info in Firefox). It will provide book title and author in
the description array.
The ABC provides Dublin Core metadata and there is the "Publishing
Requirements for Industry Standard Metadata"
http://prismstandard.org/namespaces/1.2/basic/
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/5811404/Details?
Making the guess that the catalog librarian's view data is MARC I'd suggest
Adding a dc.identifier "MARC001:5811404" tag (where the number is the
catalog entry number)
If not already available, provide a URL where the catalog entry may be
downloaded as XML for which ever standard wraps it.
For periodicals like Trove newspapers, provide dc.date, maybe
prism.{volume,number,startingpage}
If possible open source the existing tools for mapping MARC? data to
citation formats.
So rather than attempting to support particular citation formats,
provide metadata and access to structured catalog data so that browser
plugins or other tools can be used to format them as they require.
Providing a precedent for doing so could also be valuable.
Does Koha provide any tools for this kind of thing? What metadata do
they provide?
I'd ask Brianna Laugher's opinion of this suggestion too - if it's worth
considering.
On 07/08/13 20:33, Liam Wyatt wrote:
Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon,
In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any
responses you have too!)
The general gist, if I can put it this way, is "the current cite code
is working, don't fix it until it's broken". Which is good to hear :-)
This answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about
question no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and
NLA search results would be actually useful for having this citation
code appear. For example - here
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA catalogue
reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up a WP
code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent
in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in
this? Are newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this
citation code, or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g.
unique materials in the NLA that have no ISBN)?
Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation)
this is something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a
comprehensive series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue
there is not so much the citation system itself but Trove's record
naming structure and, more generally, the long list of higher priority
bugs that are not as easily manually worked-around.
As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my
primary concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently
asked it in those terms over on Mediawiki.org too.
Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more
direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available
in Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright
(so a blanket system wouldn't be appropriate).
-Liam
wittylama.com <http://wittylama.com>
Peace, love & metadata
On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Liam,
I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your
questions:
1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using
wiki code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled
wiki mark up remains very useful.
2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper
articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into
Commons would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect.
I hope that's helpful.
Regards,
Nick
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove
As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service
include a WP citation code in the "cite this" drop down in all
search results (along with permalink, and various
standardised footnoting styles). At the Library we are currently
in the midst of a very broad tech and database integration process
- part of which is revisiting what kinds of citations are useful
where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss where the WP
citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some feedback:
1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of
this kind of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide
pre-filled wiki markup?
2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service
provided, and which are irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is
for individual newspaper articles within Trove. However, I believe
that there is little/no value in providing this service for
individual book results in the NLA catalogue search (because WP
just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any individual
library's collection). However - what about manuscripts, music
scores, unpublished collections of personal papers, digitised
maps.... Is it useful to have this service provided in those
circumstances?
-Liam / Wittylama
(In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as employee
of the NLA)
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