If the NLA page has the WP citation, currenlty its just *Citation Details* *Use the following url to begin from this point:* * http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2
* *Or this url to play only the portion of audio:* * http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2~5-4 *I'd probably just use the trove link for ease of use... On 7 August 2013 19:02, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's an interesting example Gnang - that link you gave is to an oral > history that's in the NLA collection and happens to be digitised and > online. Not all are, but this one is. Moreover, this one is part of a new > system the NLA has (to which all oral histories are progressively being > migrated) which includes a timecoded transcript and the ability to give a > stable URL for EACH part of the transcript - potentially providing a direct > citation to really interesting primary source footnotes! > > The URL for the same item in the NLA catalogue is this: > http://nla.gov.au/nla.oh-vn5811404 > > So... given that, would you suggest that, in this example, it would be > appropriate for Trove to provide a WP citation OR to leave that citation to > the NLA catalogue itself? (Please say if I'm not being clear, it's a > complex question!). > > -Liam > > > wittylama.com > Peace, love & metadata > > > On 7 August 2013 10:56, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> as to where the citation needs to available its any where from which >> editors draw information from Trove, including, newspapers, magazines, >> audio(http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/163116758) >> >> On 7 August 2013 18:33, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon, >>> >>> In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any >>> responses you have too!) >>> >>> The general gist, if I can put it this way, is "the current cite code is >>> working, don't fix it until it's broken". Which is good to hear :-) This >>> answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question >>> no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search >>> results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For >>> example - here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA >>> catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up >>> a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent >>> in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are >>> newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code, >>> or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the >>> NLA that have no ISBN)? >>> >>> >>> Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this >>> is something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive >>> series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much >>> the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more >>> generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily >>> manually worked-around. >>> As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my >>> primary concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked >>> it in those terms over on Mediawiki.org too. >>> >>> Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more >>> direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in >>> Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a >>> blanket system wouldn't be appropriate). >>> >>> -Liam >>> >>> >>> wittylama.com >>> Peace, love & metadata >>> >>> >>> On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling <nick_dowl...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Liam, >>>> >>>> I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your questions: >>>> >>>> 1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using wiki >>>> code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark up >>>> remains very useful. >>>> >>>> 2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper >>>> articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons >>>> would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect. >>>> >>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000 >>>> From: liamwy...@gmail.com >>>> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove >>>> >>>> >>>> As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service include >>>> a WP citation code in the "cite this" drop down in all search results >>>> (along with permalink, and various standardised footnoting styles). At the >>>> Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech and >>>> database integration process - part of which is revisiting what kinds of >>>> citations are useful where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss >>>> where the WP citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some >>>> feedback: >>>> >>>> 1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this >>>> kind of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup? >>>> 2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service provided, and >>>> which are irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is for individual >>>> newspaper articles within Trove. However, I believe that there is little/no >>>> value in providing this service for individual book results in the NLA >>>> catalogue >>>> search (because WP just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any >>>> individual library's collection). However - what about manuscripts, music >>>> scores, unpublished collections of personal papers, digitised maps.... Is >>>> it useful to have this service provided in those circumstances? >>>> >>>> -Liam / Wittylama >>>> (In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as employee of >>>> the NLA) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> wittylama.com >>>> Peace, love & metadata >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing >>>> list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> GN. >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >> Gn. 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