Absolutely, and when we approach a city about doing a network, we are QUICK to 
point out that Tropos only has one radio. 

John



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:45 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
>
>Matt,
>
>A multi-band mesh node does the backhaul on 5 GHz (sometimes with more 
>than one 5 GHz radio). This reduces (but certainly doesn't eliminate) 
>the 2.4 GHz self-interference and other-network-interference level.
>
>The reason the big muni projects often select Tropos is that Tropos has 
>the best marketing effort out there and has been "in the game" longer 
>than most other mesh equipment vendors.
>
>I predict it won't take too may big Tropos-based muni networks to fail 
>before future big-city muni administrators will "see the light" and 
>chose other, more throughput-capable mesh vendors.
>
>jack
>
>
>Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>> In recent post I explained that here in Atlanta you can only use a 
>> single 2.4 channel because of the noise floor. How is a multi-band mesh 
>> node going to work?
>> 
>> Maybe there is a reason the big muni projects keep selecting Tropos.
>> 
>> -Matt
>> 
>> Jack Unger wrote:
>> 
>>> Dawn,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting the St. Cloud PepLink and HP info.
>>>
>>> Using standard CPE (PePLink)is very good but using Tropos nodes is 
>>> very, very bad. Very bad because they only have one single 2.4 GHz 
>>> radio so after 2 or 3 hops, all the throughput capability is gone not 
>>> to mention that the interference level from having all the access and 
>>> backhaul packets colliding on 2.4 GHz (along with any WISP and other 
>>> 2.4 GHz network packets) will slow all the networks (muni and WISP) 
>>> down further. I hate to "finger" anyone but Tropos' stubborn refusal 
>>> or inability (anyone at Tropos listening???) to produce a 2-band mesh 
>>> node is going to doom them to failure along with any big city that 
>>> deploys their nodes without an extremely efficient point-to-multipoint 
>>> backbone design on 5 GHz.
>>>
>>> jack
>>>
>>>
>>> Dawn DiPietro wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.peplink.com/060306.php
>>>>
>>>> Date: March 7, 2006*
>>>> PePLink announces as the official Citywide Wireless CPE provider for 
>>>> City of St. Cloud in Florida  *
>>>>
>>>> *Hong Kong, Mar 7, 2006 - *PePLink, a leader in citywide WiFi 
>>>> wireless broadband devices today announced the City of St. Cloud, FL, 
>>>> a suburb of Orlando, has chosen PePLink to be the official wireless 
>>>> CPE provider for the Cyber Spot, the City's 100% free citywide 
>>>> high-speed wireless Internet service.
>>>>
>>>> With a reliable, secure, ease of use wireless CPE - PePLink Surf, 
>>>> every citizen or business in the city of St. Cloud can connect to the 
>>>> citywide wireless network at a high speed. The CPE greatly enhances 
>>>> the throughput and reliability of both up and down link compared with 
>>>> a wireless-enabled computer desktop or notebook computer.
>>>>
>>>> The simple true plug and play nature of the PePLink Surf helps the 
>>>> citizens in St. Cloud to bring the wireless signal indoors with ease. 
>>>> At the same time, the PePLink Surf units can be remotely managed, 
>>>> monitored and provisioned by PePLink's carrier-grade management and 
>>>> reporting solution, PCMS (or PePLink Centralized Management System). 
>>>> This can ensure a scalable and rapid rollout of the wireless systems 
>>>> within a short period of time. This eliminates an onsite installation 
>>>> charge.
>>>>
>>>> "Being chosen by City of St. Cloud has further endorsed our 
>>>> capability to offer reliable wireless solutions to municipal wireless 
>>>> networks built with mesh network technology," said Alex Chan, 
>>>> Managing Director of PePLink. "PePLink Surf together with PCMS is the 
>>>> complete solution specifically designed for today's citywide wireless 
>>>> networks."
>>>>
>>>> PePLink Surf series consists of Surf 200BG and Surf 400BG. For more 
>>>> information on PePLink Surf series, please visit 
>>>> http://www.peplink.com <http://www.peplink.com/>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> roflol
>>>>>
>>>>> The city is selling "signal boosters" (I read that as amps) to 
>>>>> anyone that wants them for $170?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh man, this deployment is gonna come CRASHING down.  Hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's really too bad these people are too ignorant, stubborn or just 
>>>>> plain stupid to call any of us in to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> sigh
>>>>>
>>>>> Marlon
>>>>> (509) 982-2181                                   Equipment sales
>>>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)                    Consulting services
>>>>> 42846865 (icq)                                    And I run my own 
>>>>> wisp!
>>>>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a fan of muni wireless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
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