On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:34:32 -0800, anatmanwave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> ---If there is no train what just ran over my foot?
>

         Now there is a foot, too?

> I answer in the reletive, you come back in the absolute.

     Not absolutely...I realize that everything is to a degree relative,
     and I did not intend for the comment(s) to sound absolutist, but
     to offer some talking points on the underlying Buddhist approach
     of example via KOANS, since that was the essential topic.
>
> I fully understand the concept of mental constructs(?). We create
> our universe in every moment. But it is the action we take not our
> understanding of the situation that affects the world around us.

    Yes, exactly.  And I did underscore that principle, and am in agreement  
with this view.

> Furthermore good effort does not always mean good results. best
> laid plans of mice and men........?

     Also, no disagreement, as in comment on "sh_t" happens.  Again, at  
every layer,
     as I suggested, we always have some choices to right thought and right  
action...
     Buddhism and Zen are as close to absolutist on these principles.

> Just have to go with the flow,
> Guy

    That is the most important final perspective, of course..which relates  
to my
  comment on ultimate harmony and finding one's own place and action in the  
world...
if we keep bumping into things, or thinking that the glass is half empty,  
and then
bump into things, that is when rational thinking suggests that we might  
need to alter
our thoughts, our habits or our occupation.  There can be no doubt that  
the odds of
unpleasant results if one is a police officer are likiely much higher than  
if one happens
to be a photographer.  That does not preclude that a photographer is safe  
 from harm,
accident or personal tragedy.  No one is free from the nature of the  
world.  As you say,
given that some bad things will happen sometime, it is our resulting  
thoughts and
actions in response to these bad things, that most form the next layer of  
our lives.

I also try to go with the flow, but realize that at times I am responsible  
for guiding or
channeling that flow as smoothly as possible.  And believe me, I have had  
my share
of recent turbulence to understand the ultimate reality of humility about  
these things!

Peace,

Zenbob


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