Actually, it wasn't me who wrote that but I agree; it's neither correct nor 
incorrect to say that in zen we make choices. One the one hand, thoughts often 
spontaneously arise giving us the illusion that we created that thought. On the 
other, once that thought has arisen it becomes a question of what we do with 
that thought. We choose to act on it, or not. The 'how' of moving to another 
carriage (for example) lies in the choice/act: When the dog is barking to be 
let out at 3am on a winter's night do we choose, "Damn! If I just lie here 
maybe he'll stop barking. Ah, but if he shits on the carpet I'll have to clean 
it. Right, I'll get up but the mutt's gonna get a kick for this ...."  Or do we 
choose, "Oh shit"... and just get out of bed and let him out?

Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:54:11 -0800, 
mike brown   

> Notice there is a complete absence of CHOOSING.  To make sure of that I  
> would change the word DETERMINING in the third sentence to REALIZING or  

I am deeply familiar with Zen, as a practitioner for more than 30 years.   
It is neither correct nor incorrect to
state that if one "practices Zen" that one does not "make choices."  As  
humans, we make choices, and practicing Zen is a choice.

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