Hi Jody,

I am guilty as charged, as Bill indicated.  Our school has actually 
quite stringent sitting practice.


Grandma JM

> Jody,
> JMJM is like a doting grandmother. In my opinion he is being too 
> patronizing with you. That may be one of the differences between Chan 
> zen and the Japanese zen through which I was introduced to zen.
> What you describe below about imagining the water is invisible and you 
> could see all the sea life might be very comforting for you, and make 
> you feel 'warm and fuzzy', but it is just a dream. More illusions. 
> More maya. It is not good zen practice; it is not zen meditation.
> I've addressed a what I think would be a better (better, as in more 
> effective) approach to meditation in my next post.
> ...Bill!
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> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:28 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Test of Character
> Well Jody, As long as the practice is to rest our monkey mind is the
> "correct" practice. Yet a more "effective" practice is not to imagine,
> or count the breath, or chant, because these practices raise our
> physical awareness and arouse our mind. Simply detached from all FORMS,
> follow the path of our breath, enhance our spirituality at all times,
> whether sitting or other wise, is an effective one. JM
> Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
> >
> > Hello JM,
> >
> > I am not sure if my practice is correct, but I will imagine concepts
> > to get
> > in the state of mind to meditate.
> >
> > We live near the ocean and we will often go to the beach to 
> meditate. One
> > day I imagined the water was invisible and I could see all the life in
> > the
> > ocean from the small to the large life there. It seemed so dramatic to
> > imagine all that life. It made me feel small by comparison but it also
> > made
> > me feel part of the universe.
> >
> > I was then able to meditate without having to block the usual monkey
> > mind of
> > daily events.
> >
> > I hope this is the correct practice.
> >
> > JODY in Florida
> >
> >
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