Jody,

JMJM is like a doting grandmother.  In my opinion he is being too patronizing 
with you.  That may be one of the differences between Chan zen and the Japanese 
zen through which I was introduced to zen.

What you describe below about imagining the water is invisible and you could 
see all the sea life might be very comforting for you, and make you feel 'warm 
and fuzzy', but it is just a dream.  More illusions.  More maya.  It is not 
good zen practice; it is not zen meditation.

I've addressed a what I think would be a better (better, as in more effective) 
approach to meditation in my next post.

...Bill!   

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jue Miao 
Jing Ming - ????
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:28 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Test of Character

Well Jody, As long as the practice is to rest our monkey mind is the 
"correct" practice. Yet a more "effective" practice is not to imagine, 
or count the breath, or chant, because these practices raise our 
physical awareness and arouse our mind. Simply detached from all FORMS, 
follow the path of our breath, enhance our spirituality at all times, 
whether sitting or other wise, is an effective one. JM

Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
>
> Hello JM,
>
> I am not sure if my practice is correct, but I will imagine concepts 
> to get
> in the state of mind to meditate.
>
> We live near the ocean and we will often go to the beach to meditate. One
> day I imagined the water was invisible and I could see all the life in 
> the
> ocean from the small to the large life there. It seemed so dramatic to
> imagine all that life. It made me feel small by comparison but it also 
> made
> me feel part of the universe.
>
> I was then able to meditate without having to block the usual monkey 
> mind of
> daily events.
>
> I hope this is the correct practice.
>
> JODY in Florida
>
> 
 

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