Bill, I experienced in deep practice of Zen a tremendous amount of ENERGY while meditating. Usually just when I would reach a completely relaxed state I would experience the most beautiful rush of energy, but through my training I would just ignore this and continue my concentration.
Through my very limited knowledge of Chan, it seems to me that JM speaks of this experience of ENERGY the tangible experience of Chi. It seems to me the He can manipulate this energy, or karma, or chi for positive values. So that seems to me at least part of it; hopefully JM can help me out alittle. But that seems to also be a difference between Chan and Zen. Zen just experience Just This, and Chan, cultivate the energies of Just This for a positive existence. Later, And I always reserve the right to completely be Wrong! Chris ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/