That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules.. 
Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No 
retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others? 
Please enlighten me.

--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Subject: [Zen] Aging and Zen
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 2:14 AM

As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for 
me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing 
to die sitting on a cushion just saying "this is it?" No Heaven for 
you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??


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