I know, I considered myself an atheist from about 1968-1983 and shock of shocks, I didn't rape a single person then. And believe it or not, I didn't murder anyone either. A LOT higher percentage of my atheist friends I would consider highly ethical or moral or whatever word de jour you want to use than of the theistic people I've known. Bob
--- On Fri, 10/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [Zen] Aging and Zen To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 9:38 PM Anthony, If you need a purpose to guide your actions, or you need a promise of reward or threat of retribution to convince you not to kill, burn, steal, or rape, try Christianity or one of the many other religions that provide you with an external daddy that will tell you what to do and punish you if you don't. If your request 'Please enlighten me.' was not just rhetorical, I suggest you begin by giving zen mediation (zazen) a try. There are any number of web sites which can instruct you one the basics, or better yet find a sangha (zen community) near you that has a qualified teacher. Good luck on your practice...Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules. Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others? Please enlighten me. Regards, Anthony --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Al <actionheroes@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Al <actionheroes@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Zen] Aging and Zen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 2:14 AM As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing to die sitting on a cushion just saying "this is it?" No Heaven for you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms?? ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. .com. __________ NOD32 3494 (20081003) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset. com
