The error is thinking of some future reward or punishment, or lack of it for our actions in the present moment. That is the error since the present moment is all that ever exists it must always be sufficient in itself. If one lives one's life that way your question vanishes and that is its answer.


On Oct 3, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:

That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules. Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others? Please enlighten me.


--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Subject: [Zen] Aging and Zen
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 2:14 AM

As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for
me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing
to die sitting on a cushion just saying "this is it?" No Heaven for
you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??

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