I would like to come back to Al's profound question. The thread he started is 
getting long and branching out. Can you simply say 'this is it?' How do you 
react to pain? A famous zen master Daisetsu Suzuki went through a lot of 
suffering in his last days. I am scared to think about that. If he cannot avoid 
suffering, how can I? How about you all? Are you sure you will leave this world 

--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Subject: [Zen] Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 2:14 AM

As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for 
me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing 
to die sitting on a cushion just saying "this is it?" No Heaven for 
you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??


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