I also define moral as a code of conduct. It was that explained in a post to Jack Master. There must have been an linguistic error here from my side. And so I'll try again to explain it and be a little bit more extensive. What you are explaining here about morality is something moralistic.
Moral is a kind of a double razor and depends how this is used can have the effect of moralistic with narrow mind implications based in a code of conduct followed strictly to the rule but lacking of real insight by the person who follows it and not just that the person who is a moralistic usually tries to impose his/her owns views to others. In this case the moral that comes from a moralistic person is boring. But there is a moral with a personal code set of conduct or principles, coming from within oneself experience. It's a moral developed by oneself alone and that not necesseraly goes with the morality of others or society. A person with no moral values is a dangerous person. The Dalai Lama has his moral values. Gandhi had his moral values. Thich Nhat Hanh has his moral values. Martin Luther King Junior had his moral values...All peacemakers of the world have had and have their own moral values. A person without moral values is a person of not being trusted. Thanks for posting Mayka --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Makya, > > My view of morals is the same as Margie's. I define 'morals' as a code of > conduct. This code can be very complex - as in Islamic Sharia Law or the > Jewish Talmud; or can be fairly short as in the Old Testament's 10 > Commandments or the Buddhist 5 Precepts; or can be very simple as in Jesus' > teaching to 'Love one another'. More important to this discussion is > whether morals are thought to be absolute or relative. > > Most religions (all?) believe the discrimination between right and wrong and > therefore codes of conduct are ABSOLUTE. The code or list from which the > 'correct' action can be derived should apply to ALL situations and most > importantly to ALL people. What's right or wrong in all situations and for > all people. This makes it easy to judge the conduct of both yourself and > others. Since there are a lot of situations and a lot of people, most > religion's codes of conduct are very complex. > > Zen's perspective on the discrimination between right and wrong and > therefore the selection of a 'correct' action is RELATIVE. The 'correct' > action depends the situation, and most importantly is determined by each > individual for themselves. What's right for you in a certain situation > might not be right in a different situation. What's right for you in a > certain situation might not be right for someone else in the same situation. > This makes it unnecessary to judge (after-the-fact) your own conduct since > your actions were completely determined by the situation at the time of > execution; and it is impossible (or at least useless) to try to judge the > conduct of others. This also means that zen cannot ascribe to any formal > code of conduct or morals. > > Hope this helps...Bill! > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of roloro1557 > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:44 AM > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen > > Mayka- > > Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed by society, culture, > religion, etc. They are meaningless. They are empty concepts. And they > differ hugely from culture to culture. This creates nothing but > endless arguments about whose morals are right and whose are wrong. > > Real morality is just doing what you know is right, it really is that > simple. > > Margie (roloro1557) > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
