Edgar and Margie,
I am fine at this moment, not really suffering a lot. Meanwhile I am scared by 
stories of suffering. If you think the best way is not to think about 
suffering, just 'think' about the present, I can say nothing more. Edgar, with 
your scientific approach, please read carefully the nderf, then tell me they 
are all bullshiting.

--- On Thu, 9/10/08, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 7:37 PM

Anthony and Margie,

Anthony, would it help if you knew that the great all loving all powerful 
mother of the universe has you in her arms loving you at every moment including 
right now?

She does..... It's called being alive in her arms.... You just simply need to 
experience it..... And make that the essence of your experience in every 


On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:27 PM, roloro1557 wrote:

Hello Anthony-

I think you are hurting yourself unnecessarily with this line of
thought Anthony. I'm sorry for that, I don't like to see people suffer.

Again, a look into history will show you that there is NOTHING that
can ensure peace. Lots and lots of things have been tried through the
ages and peace has never come. It is very ironic, people are willing
to go to war, to kill and be killed over whose "morality" is the
"right" one. It's a hard pill to swallow, I know, but the plain truth
is that peace isn't the nature of most human beings. Or most human
beings cannot see their buddha-nature. 

The only thing left is to create a peaceful place within yourself.
There are many ways to do that, zazen, other forms of meditation,
certain therapies, etc. I don't think anyone can find peace in the
world without finding it within themselves first.

Margie (roloro1557)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Margie,
> Then change my term from morality to peaceality or whatever that can
ensure peace. I am also opposed to manmade standards of morality,
which, like you say lead to endless arguments and struggles. 
> In order to maintain peace, you need something to go by. I have
trouble accepting 'just it'. Or Buddha nature, which not everybody
follows. You can say everybody has Buddha nature, but when it comes to
performance, the opposite is frequently true.
> Regards,
> Anthony


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