Bill,

When one realizes the essential non-separation of all things, that they are all expressions of the same basic substance and interconnected flow, that separation into discrete things is an illusion, then one naturally acts compassionately towards all things which sometimes includes protecting some things against destruction by other things. Those actions are somewhat arbitrary based on where one's center is relative to the other things, where one's center is in the flow, in which local eddies in the flow.


By so acting, action is in accord with the flow of Tao. One freely expresses the local forces of the flow of Tao. That is active Zen.

Edgar



On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Makya,

My view of morals is the same as Margie's. I define 'morals' as a code of conduct. This code can be very complex - as in Islamic Sharia Law or the
Jewish Talmud; or can be fairly short as in the Old Testament's 10
Commandments or the Buddhist 5 Precepts; or can be very simple as in Jesus'
teaching to 'Love one another'. More important to this discussion is
whether morals are thought to be absolute or relative.

Most religions (all?) believe the discrimination between right and wrong and therefore codes of conduct are ABSOLUTE. The code or list from which the 'correct' action can be derived should apply to ALL situations and most importantly to ALL people. What's right or wrong in all situations and for all people. This makes it easy to judge the conduct of both yourself and
others. Since there are a lot of situations and a lot of people, most
religion's codes of conduct are very complex.

Zen's perspective on the discrimination between right and wrong and
therefore the selection of a 'correct' action is RELATIVE. The 'correct' action depends the situation, and most importantly is determined by each
individual for themselves. What's right for you in a certain situation
might not be right in a different situation. What's right for you in a
certain situation might not be right for someone else in the same situation. This makes it unnecessary to judge (after-the-fact) your own conduct since your actions were completely determined by the situation at the time of execution; and it is impossible (or at least useless) to try to judge the conduct of others. This also means that zen cannot ascribe to any formal
code of conduct or morals.

Hope this helps...Bill!

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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Mayka-

Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed by society, culture,
religion, etc. They are meaningless. They are empty concepts. And they
differ hugely from culture to culture. This creates nothing but
endless arguments about whose morals are right and whose are wrong.

Real morality is just doing what you know is right, it really is that
simple.

Margie (roloro1557)




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