Physical pain was obvious. Whether mental was also present I don't know. Anthony
--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 8:22 AM Anthony, Was it mental suffering or physical pain? An important distinction is to be made. Edgar On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: Chris, I agree and believe practicing zen helps give up worries. However, not all anticipation is useless. I would like to bring up a big question here: how to respond to and/or avoid pain on the deathbed? Take for example the famous zen master Daisetzu Suzuki. Most agree he was a very advanced zen practitioner. At around 100 years of age, he went through a lot of suffering on his deathbed, which was recorded by his secretary and nurse ( I can't remember her name and the title of the article). I was very disappointed when I read that. Anthony --- On Fri, 16/1/09, cid830 <summitj...@att. net> wrote: From: cid830 <summitj...@att. net> Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 3:54 AM Edgar, I'm sure you needed that lesson on the samarai! LOL. My point, in Bill's defense, was that this is not comparable to his response to Anthony's questions. Anthony is anticipating what will happen if he runs into a killer or how he will react while starving, I see Bill's point as telling him the anticipation is the problem. The zen training will allow him to react to the situation at hand from his Buddha Nature. Anticipating or worrying about situations that may or may not actually occur is a sign that you are not engaged in your zen practice.. If you are not engaged in your practice, how can you expect to react to a situation with your Buddha Nature? This is one thing that led me to Zen. I used to worry and plan for situations that never happened. I used to run "what if" scenarios thru my head, to the point that it was driving me crazy. Zen practice helped me tremendously! Thanks again, Chris --- in zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@. ..> wrote: > > Chris, > > I am in agreement with your thoughts. Thanks for jumping in. > > Edgar New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/