This is a very good point!
Please forgive me for butting in, but...
It was a samurai's duty to be prepared for the fight. I'm not sure
of how many samurai's were actually zen 'masters', but it is my
understanding that they practiced zen as part of their training.
Being trained in their skill did not mean they were "planning" ahead
of time how they would react to a certain situation. They were not
to anticipate or worry about what might happen. It meant that they
would be able to precisely act from Buddha Nature to the situation
at hand. The combat training gave them the fighting skills, and the
zen training gave them the ability to implement those skills without
the "fear" of death or other "thoughts" that may hinder their
fighting ability. In the Zone, so to speak. This is the theory as I
see it anyway.
Again, sorry for jumping into your discussion. I'm sure Bill will
have a much better response.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@...> wrote:
> The samurai prepares for such a situation in advance. Do you claim
> can't then act from Buddha Nature when the time comes? Just the
> opposite, by preparing his body is tuned to act as it needs in
> moment far more efficiently than if he had not trained.
> On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:22 AM, <billsm...@...> wrote:
> > Anthony,
> > I will try to answer your question which I assume is: 'What
> > you do if confronted with someone who was threatening your life?"
> > I can absolutely truthfully say that I don't know what I'd do.
> > knew what I would do then that means I would have thought it
> > out ahead of time, and then it would me Bill! acting and not
> > Nature.
> > I can tell you I would probably do what all animals due when
> > confronted with danger: flight or fight. I would either try to
> > away - that could be by using persuasive talk or actually
> > away; or fight - that also could be with threatening talk or
> > behavior, but could include physical assault. If what you are
> > looking for is a definite statement that I would be passive and
> > commit violence, I can assure you that would not always be the
> > Like responding to a koan, the answer depends on the entire
> > who's asking, what's the situation and what's my experience at
> > moment.
> > I hope that response satisfies you. It satisfies me.
> > ...Bill!
> > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > On Behalf Of Anthony Wu
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:04 PM
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
> > Bill,
> > I understand your 'zen logic' in view of a lack of a proper
> > In my case:
> > - If I run into a killer, I will run away, scared to death.
> > - If I am starving, I will suffer a lot, complaining about bad
> > Understanding your action cannot be my template, I am still
> > what your reaction is in that position 'at this moment when you
> > writing'. Don't worry about the next moment when you may react
> > differently. I will be disappointed if you say you cannot
> > because you only have 'just this' at the present.
> > Anthony
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