DP,

I guess I could go with that - 'everyday stuff is mystical'.  Just as I could 
say 'everyday stuff is holy', or 'everyday stuff is special'.

I understand what statements like these are trying to convey.

As I said before, this sounds like an interesting book.

...Bill!


From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
DP
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:48 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill

  

However, Underhill's point is that the "everyday stuff" IS mystical, depending 
on how you look at it. 

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> JMJM,
> 
> You bring up a very good question.
> 
> According to Merriam-Webster Online the definitions of these words and my 
> opinion as how they could be applied to zen are:
> 
> MYSTICAL
> 1:a : having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to the 
> senses nor obvious to the intelligence
> [Bill!] Zen is not 'spiritual' and is definitely apparent to the senses, so 
> this definition doesn't seem to fit. Zen is however not obvious, nor even 
> accessible as far as I'm concerned, to the intelligence.
> b : involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective 
> communion with God or ultimate reality
> [Bill!] This is pretty close, although I would take out the words 
> 'subjective' and 'God or ultimate' which leaves 'direct communion with 
> reality'.
> 
> MYSTICISM
> 1: the experience of MYSTICAL union or direct communion with ultimate reality 
> reported by MYSTICS
> [Bill!] I could live with this definition. 
> 2: the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate 
> reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or 
> insight)
> [Bill!] Again, this is close, but I don't associate Buddha Nature with 
> intuition or insight - although I know in the West these could be used as a 
> poor substitute. 
> 3:a : vague speculation : a belief without sound basis
> [Bill!] I don't like this one at all.
> b : a theory postulating the possibility of direct and intuitive acquisition 
> of ineffable knowledge or power 
> [Bill!] This is pretty close. I like the word 'ineffable'. That definitely 
> fits. I don't like the words 'intuitive, acquisition, knowledge and power'.
> 
> In English, 'mysticism' is generally associated with God or 'hidden' 
> knowledge or insight. I associate zen with just everyday stuff. It's no big 
> deal.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jue Miao Jing Ming - ????
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:14 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill
> 
> 
> Dear all, 
> 
> I have a question. In Chinese, the Tibetan practice is literally translated 
> as the "Mystic Order", the Chan practice is literally translated as the 
> "Grand Mystic Order". Chan is the grand one, because Rong-Shu Patriarch 
> brought the Chan to Tibet and affected their practice.
> 
> In Chan 『秘密內è‰æ³•ã€ "Mystic Inner Witness Dharma" means an inward 
> practice enabling heart to heart witness of Buddha. That's all. There is 
> really nothing mystic about it.
> 
> Is the term "mystic or mysticism" means the same as the I described above or 
> not?
> 
> Much obliged,
> _/\_
> JMJM
> 
> On 9/7/2010 8:13 AM, DP wrote: 
> 
> That's kind of the point of the book. She is trying to bring mysticism down 
> to Earth, as it were. She wants to show that not only monks can do it.
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > DP,
> > 
> > I haven't heard of this book, but it does sound interesting.
> > 
> > I don't, however, associate mysticism with zen, or with `seeing the world as
> > it is' (which I do associate with zen). How could anyone call that
> > mysticism? Or with spiritualism as so many are wont to do?
> > 
> > …Bill!
> > 
> > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of DP
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:22 PM
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill
> > 
> > 
> > I recently downloaded this ebook from a public domain site (the book is
> > nearly 100 year old) and I have to say I'm very impressed with it. Underhill
> > was an ANglo-Catholic, but her main focus is on how anyone can appreciate
> > the mysticism of everyday life by seeing the world as it is, without
> > categorization. I think this sounds very Zen, and I wonder if anyone else
> > had read it.
> > 
> > 
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